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walking mirage

ye

alex tax1a

...except these ones have a hole punched in them so they can be used in a high density drive??

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Kran'ts Ton

They're made out of tungsten for extra density

nyankat

When formatted in MS-DOS mode on a compatible drive (most drives aren’t!) they’re 2.88MB!

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bcj

whoa!

alex tax1a

this gets super fun in some javascript-heavy webpages when you ctrl-u and the reactive javascript framework has no idea what the fuck just happened because it doesn't know that the text engine can do this, so it desyncs and wedges input on that page :)

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knutaf

someone hasn't encountered a load-bearing printf yet either

alex tax1a

tbf neither have we, but that's also the kind of thing that makes itself obvious when single-stepping lol

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Petra

I tend to be a printf-er myself, just due to what I do, but

The Pnictogen Wing

I get it, I do the same myself but I don't do anything serious...

John Colagioia

"I don't see why anybody would use a tool that makes things easier when I can just testosterone my way through without learning anything" is basically 90% of computer science arguments, in my experience.

Related, any time somebody wants to "debate," I reflexively tell them that debate is a game for children, and I love the sputtering reactions from that...

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clara sparks

ah, and also, woo

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Irenes (many)

we know you know, but for the benefit of anyone else reading along: we very much agree

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Arrietty Lunaris

honestly yeah i had people suggesting channels in my server and im kind of like "i dont want to do this, we have enough"

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noise

100% agree

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Metroplex System

An abuser DARVOing their victim and grooming the greater community to hate their victim smells remarkably similar, probably not a coincidence.

(See also why 90% of greater social media communities are unusuable).

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Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

who's reporting anyone now, in two weeks we'll all be equally banned

alex tax1a

[no-longer-extant account redacted] this fine critter is trying to draw attention to their tumblr by rebugging us and we're having none of it

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Damien

nah you're right.

i cant speak for the discord bit because im only active in a specific, tiny, one[^1] and because I think trying to make a "big discord server of former cohost users" is a doomed idea but at least from what i've seen of the websiteleague thing and how they're approaching things[^2] I'm hopeful that it won't be a complete failure. time will tell I suppose.

[^1]: all the others im one are so fucking busy all the time it's genuinely unusable to me lmao [^2]: judging by the planning docs that are being written

TV-MA

The only way I can see these surviving is if several mods on each of these servers are POC. Otherwise, because of the closed door nature of discord, they're doomed to become even more hostile than cohost was at it's worse.

Also this is not me saying that these servers should pressure POC into moderating. Several time I've been pushed into being the sole POC mod for primarily white servers and each time it sucked and ended badly. I'm not 100% sure what the solution is outside of letting POC run and manage their own shit. This is more of warning to those who are thinking of trying.

ruby

as someone who's been actively trying to help establish the aformentioned website league project, the issues cohost has had around race is definitely something that i'm trying to keep in mind. we haven't quite gotten to laying out moderation yet - most discussions at the moment are about the organizational structure of the project - but i'm cautiously optimistic that we can learn from the mistakes here and aim to build something safer and more welcoming to POC. i'm not fully across the demographics of everyone involved but there are at least some POC voices contributing to plans which certainly helps.

Coda

I’m honestly even thinking about this kinda thing wrt blogs with comments sections; basically anywhere users can interact with each other needs some consideration for moderation, and the more people are interacting with each other the more important it is. It is the hardest part of websites with any kind of interaction/community component

TV-MA

Yea even if you strip the context of specifically protecting POC, most people do not consider moderation when creating these communities. They usually think that putting up a list of rules is good enough. They do not consider that those rules are there to protect people.

Sometimes that comes down to uncomfortable situations with your friends or people you find pleasant. A lot of people have shitty friends that make life hell for those around them in online communities. You have to consider what your tolerance is for burning bridges and engaging with conflict. If you are someone who is set on being conflict adverse, the mostly likely outcome is you're going to alienate that people who need protecting the most. That often comes down to POC.

Fallible

Not considering this is one of the things I'm worried about spaces doing. Alright if I link this post from one I've made that's going around? (I had already, but I'm asking now cos it's been doing severals.)

TV-MA

These are all very good points. The point should always be to build upon what made this place special instead of trying to create an illusive club where no outsiders are welcome. It's always important to keep in mind that this site only lasted two years! (Tho to be fair, most online communities have a shelf life)

GN-004

At the very, very least, reports for racist harrassment and dogpiling need to be handled more promptly before the toxic behavior festers and becomes normal within the site's culture (if that makes sense?). I followed a couple of the people who did eventually leave and the general consensus appeared to be that when the staff finally laid down the law, it was just too little and too late. People shouldn't have to be chased away before that stuff is taken seriously.

TV-MA

It's not just that, it's that most the time no moderation that happens at all. Like most the problems I ever experienced on discord happened in real time like, there were no reports, but the moderatos could clearly see what was happening. In many cases, moderators will either minimize what's happening or blame it on the person it's happening to. And then if there is one non-white moderator, they will often get blamed for moderating decisions made regardless if it was their ultimate decision or a decision made amongst all the moderators. It's a lot more than just, getting to it on time. It's usually active ignorance and negligence

This is why I'm skeptical of this influx of cohost preserving communities. Cohost already had a problem with racism that helped lead to the site's downfall. If any of these communities are to be maintained, how do moderators intend on preventing those problems when the problems were built into the site? I don't think most people are considering this because 1. they're mostly white and were unaffected and/or 2. it hasn't crossed their mind.

GN-004

This is all good insight. Admittedly, I tend to lean optimistic about people trying new things post-Cohost because I want to believe that people can learn from Cohost's missteps. But of course, it would be just as easy for the cycle to begin anew elsewhere, especially in communities with an overwhelmingly white mod team.

gay math nerd

I literally just experienced the “get blamed for what’s happening to me” in one of the discords (not a racism thing, ableism; what was being discussed was apparently completely fine up until I complained that I felt like I was being vagued about, and then got a bunch of ableist responses to my explanation of my position). I left! That one is definitely not going to be safe for long because the owner wants to stay out of everything and not have to moderate! And you can’t decide to run a discord, or any online community, and not be willing to do moderation!! Someone, probably sooner than later, is going to be racist in a way that the owner won’t recognize and won’t deal with, and it’s just so obvious that’s coming after what happened to me.

TV-MA

Yep. People want their vanity communities without considering what's needed to make a place comfortable for everyone who wants to participate.

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Joyces

thank you for saying this.

TrashBoat: Arcade Edition

I've been in some spaces with former chosters that weren't as rosy about the site for this reason. I really wanted to fully join the love fest, but someone else had to mention the bad stuff.

GN-004

Excellent post. My hope is that if a team tries to make a Cohost-esque site again, they learn from this site's mistakes and are a bit more proactive wrt addressing racist harrassment and dogpiling.

Damien

you're right. all i wished for the POC i met on here was for their experience to be as pleasant as mine has been. nobody should have had to go through that shit.

three genders in a wenchcoat

yeah... I've said it elsewhere but despite being on the cohost love train myself, this blemish was very real and if there's one thing that really bugs me about the timing of all this it's that we didn't get to see if the new policies would matter, if trust could be rebuilt, if at least some of those people who left might have come back and felt better about it. now it's permanently too little too late.

Plum

aye

Damien

yup

Chamomile🐑

yeah...

Tempest

You're right. That's why if a successor comes out, it will be its duty and responsibility to be better about this. We cannot have Cohost 2 be So White, to paraphrase Alyaza, and we can't have another Renkotsuban leave.

(fen)nic hartley

it kinda pains me that you have to couch this in "I'm not shitting on cohost and you can skip this by default if you want" but thank you for writing it anyway

lori

Has the same energy as people posting about problems with their Cybertruck where they have to say 20 times they love their truck and it's the best truck on earth before they say "all of the wheels fell off and rolled in four different directions and hit four different strollers with twins in each one". Because if you don't you'll get torn apart.

jeroknite

A part of me has to wonder if cohost's reputation as a cozy lefty queer friendly space made the racism all the worse.

It really is so much more disappointing when it's from those who should know better, huh? :c

taswell

it sure as hell ain't pretty, but this conversation was sorely needed. future successors to cohost will have a wealth of hindsight to draw from here.

Hâlian the Protogen

(Disclaimer: I'm white as a sheet)

I forgot about cohost for a while (ADHD yay), so I somehow feel like a worse person for not knowing that racism was happening here than I would if I had actively participated in it.

TrashBoat: Arcade Edition

To some degree this is understandable. White guilt aside, cohost doesnt have the best discoverability. I was here since 2022 and didnt learn the of previous major incidents till i read alyaza big post. Cohost's design makes it easy to miss out on ibcidents like this.

NeckSpike

Yeah. I like the format, I liked a lot of the things the site was trying to do, I met a whole bunch of cool people here, but also saw some of those cool people get abused and run off for clearly racist reasons.

Corey

Same fuckin' hat 😞

ela

Yeah... I wasn't here as much to see the latest round, but saw the effects on a friend. This place had its good sides, but it also had bad ones.

(And the reason I wasn't around as much? Too many instances of disability/accessibility discourse, and seeing a friend pushed off the platform for accessibility advocacy. I think you're right, it hurts more when it isn't a hellhole like Twitter; seeing progressive people I followed and admired get angry about people being vocal about accessibility was so much more upsetting than the casual eugenics of a rando on Twitter.)

gaydarade

i liked this post a lot. ive been thinking a lot about how so many of these events played out in extremely painful ways, kind of explicitly because cohost asks one to let down their guard both socially and at the platform level (at least imo). it helps to see this stuff articulated.

(aside, but maga eggbug is so brutally powerful, i was briefly stunned by that image)

lori

A part of me has to wonder if cohost's reputation as a cozy lefty queer friendly space made the racism all the worse. Getting attacked by racism makes sense on twitter. It's not good or acceptable, but you expect it at least. You know what to expect from the nazi nest. You dont expect that from a group of folks you would otherwise consider to be progressive. I know the left isnt a monolith, but there are some bare minimum competencies you would expect at least.

I have seen a lot of comments on this site over its lifetime with a lot of "but we don't HAVE Nazis/racists/etc. here so this site is different" and I just kept thinking the fuck do you mean, there's nothing special about this site that makes it impossible for racists to sign up, and starting from the assumption that the site simply doesn't have that kind of thing is so dangerous.

Lucky

this is definitely something that has been on my mind since the announcement. as great as this site has been in a lot of ways, the racism that led a lot of minority users to get harassed to the point of leaving for their own well being... it was awful to watch and makes me hesitant to gush too much. because that nastiness did exist and it did a lot of damage.

thank you for this. i hope in the future it won't have to be said.

quettatonia 👁️‍🗨️⚗️

very important to remember because yeah not everyone stuck around. i don't want people to gloss over the very real problems that have existed here. i still liked cohost well enough, but it felt bad that i couldn't guarantee my POC friends would have a good time here.

MEidOmachine likes robits

i did not see much racism aside from the cases i was shown by actual POC persons, however, i say this not as means to say that there wasnt so cause there clearly was, i do not need evidence in front of my face to believe what they say, but to showcase another problem.

that i actively had trouble finding POC people posting here, at least the ones i dindt actively searched for. i think more than anything this showcases the racism problem was very much real, so much so that POC were actively not posting or even being reposted and shared around, and that is... bad. if cohost was the place where people could be comfortable posting and being around then something clearly bad was happening that certain minorities dindt wanna do so. i came here to see people, and perspectives i havent seen before, cant exactly do that when an entire subset of people are seemingly just pushed under the carpet now can i?

MEidOmachine likes robits

also, honestly, i cant see much of those examples if the people that are dealing with such things are, you know, not easily visible, or are even around cause they have already been run off. more than shows the problem at the end of the day.

eggnog

wonder how it would've affected things if discoverability in this place was any better, I didn't really get exposed to the wider cohost population and it's many issues until really recently

this whole place just feels like a missed opportunity, I hope any future attempts can learn from it instead of just making the same mistakes again and again

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ahundred T. wolfsatyr

puts some on my ice cream thank you

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knutaf

If it keeps happening, they make little mini plungers, or you could use a toilet plunger in a pinch (with sufficient cleaning after, of course). I had to do this recently and it worked well

alex tax1a

we have one of those AND a thing that you pump up to a given pressure from 1 to 6 bar and discharge down the drain

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fictive

nah you can disable swap if you have enough physical ram. no memory pressure, no problem

fictive

also thrashing is almost always just crashing in slow motion. very rare that a system thrashing doesnt require me to hard-power-cycle it unless it's the well-behaved thrashing you get when compiling. i'd rather it crash

vivian lim ⭐

i think that really depends on what you're using the system for. i had accidentally deployed a couple of new servers on small vms without swap and it was really not fun wondering why the wordpress I had set up the night before was totally unresponsive, when I only had my phone with me

alex tax1a

no — disabling swapping causes you memory pressure because there's no place to put modified but inactive pages

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three genders in a wenchcoat

oh god. I'm long since acclimated to most permutations of this, my fursonas could hold senate seats next year, but damn this one hit

In reply to post 7569163:

fictive

nah. rather be a horse. i got a friend who'd take you up on that though

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

close enough to dog and goes awoo so yes

Tomash

Depends on what conditions are on offer post-coyoteification

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Charlotte the Useless Ghost

Dude used to do T&S at twitter.

alex tax1a

apparently, to some of our ex-coworkers, we alienated twitter trust&safety by being too mean to them and that's why the transphobia on the platform never got better: if only we were nicer, they might have listened to us. : ) : ) : )

Decker 🌝

The sort of moderation that favors the appearance of "peace" over actual community or justice. Moderation to appeal to investors and advertisors.

Where calling someone a terf is a graver offense than advocating terf policy. Where showing a history of racist behavior is worse than said history. Where "just asking questions" is always valid.

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🌷 doodlemancy 🌷

🫠 i was juuuuust looking at that thread and at least people are tearing him a new one about it, but... idk if it'll penetrate all the layers of centrism brainrot

i have been enjoying the artist community on bsky a lot but i don't expect it to ever be any better than twitter there

Vivienne

"I can excuse the racism but not the rudeness"

Cania

what a dumpass

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

this is literally just that tweet about "there's no difference between good things and bad things"

yes, policies can be weaponized to favor people of color over racists. and should be. that is a great example of what weapons are for.

alex tax1a

for some extra fun, compare the bluesky dweeb's response here with the tropes outlined on the White Supremacy Culture webpage. the venn diagram is a perfect circle

panecastic richard

we have to destroy the Thought Experiment Industrial Complex

wyrmenby parietal eye

This is exactly what I mean when I say politeness is a tool of oppression. Marginalized people and abuse victims are expected to be quiet about their suffering, if they fight back even mildly they suddenly become the bad guy. And also the rules of politeness is very much designed with neurotypicals in mind and it causes neurodivergents to fall behind but that’s a whole other can of worms.

HAL.exe

god this is awful. i don't use bluesky so i'd never have known otherwise, so thank you for bringing it to my attention.

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aune

I keep having people try to sell me on its code writing and it's like

Yall when is that ever the hard part

alex tax1a

you know what else generates code? a shell script with echo in it. and that's reliable and deterministic! we don't need a model to make shit up!

John Colagioia

Right. I've seen this mess so many times in my career. When I went to school, they were still laughing about how English-like COBOL compilers were going to put programmers out of business. I caught the tail end of how flow-charting UIs were going to put programmers out of business. Then "visual programming," application frameworks, no-code systems, and now literally just the joke from Gulliver's Travels with the chopped-up books taped to an orrery to "write" new things.

Turns out that the part that companies have trouble with isn't the literal typing on keyboards...

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Azure

this is a beautiful rug and a good read, thanks! 😄

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ARoseByProxy

yotes to the left of me, yotes to the right here i am stuck in the middle

awoo

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sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

It's literally a fundamental part of the racist playbook yet they're continually surprised we can see through them

alex tax1a

tbh this is a bitchy subchost about someone relatively popular on here

three genders in a wenchcoat

race, famously a topic unrelated to social dynamics

alex tax1a

yep. but apparently it is inconceivable to someone that our issues fitting into their community might possibly stem from the community, because any problem we have is definitionally our fault. :)

three genders in a wenchcoat

it still fucking boggles me that entire "leftist" transbians can just blithely lean all the way into that shit. if anyone should know better...? but then I guess cis gays still do it to us often enough too 🤷🏼‍♀️

alex tax1a

oh you wouldn't believe the shit we've heard from "leftist" transbians, like "you're pathologizing me when you say i need to go to therapy, which doesn't work on me" and "please tell me the precise rules that i need to be doing to perform the correct social actions"

three genders in a wenchcoat

oh fucking lmao. as someone with therapy trauma and autism: yeah cool you still need to figure your shit out

alex tax1a

girls would rather read Marx than go to therapy

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The Pnictogen Wing

huh. I'll have to think about that ~Chara

alex tax1a

don't think about it too hard, but 2.718281828459045...

In reply to post 7475332:

sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 🥳🎉

In reply to post 7467225:

Rachel S.

white trans woman here, want to offer my sympathy if it's welcome. you are correct to push back on the monoculture and i hope to god more of my cohort starts to understand this. a lot of us need to shut up and read more.

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unknown-user
Zilchexo et al.

the rest of us been thinking it for like 10 years but never said shit i'm so scared 😭😭😭

Gringo Starr

I couldn't really find your account to get informed on this, but I did find a bunch of folks sharing screenshots that while cherry picked, do kind of make you look worse than you would were I able to read everything in context.

White women in the community definitely do get a lot more deference than they would otherwise deserve, so I can't really fault you in your conclusion.

This part though, "If you are not sexually and socially available and desirable, you simply don't matter as much" isn't a problem with just white trans femmes though, it's just a microcosm of bigger societal issues.

Zilchexo et al.

You can't find it because I'm banned lol. Also a lot of the threads are broken because people blocked me or I blocked them. I'm not surprised that I'm the talk of the town though, especially after I got more trollish.

And I agree that it's not a problem exclusive to the trans community, for what it's worth, there's just a lot of hypersensitivity to criticizing it or anything else at all because "why do you hate other trans women?" etc and it's long past time to poke a hole in that and make people more conscious of it because these introverted clusters are, to put it lightly, holding us back.

It feels like the trans community is the only exception to progressive scrutiny. It's bullshit.

Gringo Starr

I definitely can feel being disillusioned by the community. The fact that I've had more solidarity from cis women than other trans femmes is just how it's gone for me so I don't feel particularly welcomed.

And I don't think you're the talk of the town, but I will say I did want to figure things out and could only get their side there.

I don't really trust a lot to moderation on platforms, not because I think they do a bad job but because they're so dogged by work it becomes impossible for them to provide reasonable transparency.

Hell, it can be even worse if they ID you as white first, because they can start off treating you as they would other people only to revoke the "whiteness" they mistakenly placed on you after you don't live up to those expectations. Definitely has happened to me as a white passing biracial mexican-american.

Zilchexo et al.

☀️ Gosh yeah I really have been more interested in befriending general sapphic communities than "The Trans Lesbians". Just more open minded even though in most ways I'm closer to the other archetype. (I was unfortunately in a chat run by furry organizers that had some transmisogyny issues and my current state is even farther from their beauty standards, but they were still, for example, so much more mature and less obsessed with internet gang wars and themselves.)

My concern with Bluesky is it's now a consistent pattern of these same groups of people running mostly people of color off of the website. These gangs literally have what they call "villain of the day" and at these lengths I have to assume that Bluesky doesn't really see the problem.

I teeter on white passing in that I look "ethnic" and being a shut-in makes my skin pale and they use that to bully me about being white.

Coda

you got it 1000% with this description.

Zilchexo et al.

<3

lori

Listen I always believe in trying to find the original posts to see what happened anywhere on the internet, and since your account is gone I can't see context for what is a reply to what or whatever...but comments like "oh so i'm not the only one saying it! have y'all considered that y'all really are clones just barfing and shitting the same cultural shomit onto each other? because i don't have these problems with all of my friends, who are trans and not creepy white fetishizers looking at yourselves in the mirror!" which just comes off as weird AGP shit and the "secret penis" comment and this "sand country" comment (what the fuck was this)...and then calling POC who argued with you pick mes...you're gonna need quite a bit of Context missing here because all of these posts I see people (who definitely aren't all white) talking about on Bluesky right now look extremely inflammatory.

Zilchexo et al.

Regarding "weird AGP shit": First of all please note that I said this after hours of arguing all night after leaving ONE response to a rando who swung around two weeks later and having it blow up into an even bigger shitstorm. Frankly I think this accusation I keep seeing that I was saying other transfems are AGP and therefore fake is loaded with the implication that transfems are incapable of fetishizing transfems unhealthily, even though anyone else is very much capable of it. Tons of people describe themselves as AGP, ironically or meta-ironically or what have you. I have a friend in this very comment section who describes themself as an AGP owed to their unique experience with transfemininity. I have no problem with people finding sexual joy in the act of transition. What I have a problem with is many people in the community choosing to be very weird about a small range of body types they happen to fall into, and those who have those body types, and hiding it behind "just like me". Our community is full of sex pests who are themselves transfem. This idea that someone can't be both a real woman and a fucking creep who fetishizes trans women is a concession to the enemy.

Several months ago I told a transphobe on Reddit, without lobbing so much as a personal attack, that if they really think 68% of trans people commit suicide they should try leaving their little state-imposed bubble in a way that was less than politically correct. Meanwhile, the people accusing me of transmisogyny told me to kill myself, called me a bitch, a meme gender, "you'll never be like us", and so on. The very same person who Googled up my shit to put me on blast retweeted a post along the lines of "we should be more cruel to misogynists" in that same stretch of time. And that was after picking apart my physical appearance so they and their friends could say I'm a white boy. It's hypocrisy on full display.

I don't know how else I'm supposed to handle the people who were arguing against me tbh. All I had said was to two specific people that they should rethink their binarist position and lack of allyship because it was informed by white privilege, and that was too much for The Hollering Hit Dogs Community. That they got trotted out as "nuh uh! these twoc think we're awesome!" without ever addressing my original point was using them (her, one person mostly) completely as a shield for the binarism and white tears they were displaying, and I tried to point this out to her. SHE was the one who came out with "you're calling me a pick me!" when I didn't, and I responded along the lines "maybe stop acting like one".

Hope that's satisfying context. Ngl I don't like having all the "this you? yikes..." relayed back to me on here, the demand for explanations is a bit corny. I don't think you intended to be cruel or anything but I would have greatly preferred if you had asked me politely for more context and said something about the point of my post, which at the end of the day has little to do with the particulars that were discussed.

lori

they should try leaving their little state-imposed bubble in a way that was less than politically correct.

Less than politically correct is a weird way to say "massively, blatantly racist"

Its extremely possible people were being hypocrites to you, though I cannot for a second believe "literally hundreds" of white trans women dogpiled you given that I found only a small number of posts about you at all and mostly from the same handful of people (at least two of whom aren't white), I've been on Bluesky the site just doesn't have that much interaction for that to be true...but all I'm seeing here is you spending hours arguing with people and making a ton of extremely inflammatory posts that would make almost anyone go "What? Fuck off" in response, then acting like you did absolutely nothing to provoke such responses. I don't think the context you just added changes that and I DEFINITELY don't think the racist sand countries comment is excusable with anything even if it was something you said to a piece of shit, and you trying to downplay it as just "not politically correct" is really weak.

Zilchexo et al.

My original post alone got over 70 replies without counting QRTs or people who kept tabs on everything and liked all the insults directed at me, so yes it was that many. Again, my original post's crime was referring to the primacy of the desire to become a conformal white woman "and nothing else" in a somewhat sarcastic tone as I asked my question and confronted the white privilege and binarism I saw. I could have said it more eloquently, but then they would have just ignored or blocked me or bullied me more lightly.

And frankly I really don't care about a white person's scolding on acceptable racial discourse presented in the context of essentially silencing a person of color, dismissing their problems with the white-dominated community. It's the same reason I didn't give a shit what the (largely very white-passing) people you're talking about said to me, because it was all in the service of getting my criticisms of their lily-white friends dismissed, and half of them were bullying me anyway. You come out looking bad here confronting me about how I spoke to a transphobe who's white on the US census as if it's not very common to take mildly insensitive jabs at rich imperialist cores and not speaking with me about the pervasive, deep-seated racial issues and inequities in the community that I am highlighting. I would advise you to reconsider.

alloyed

damn i leave for one second huh anyways just stating publicly I am Owning my Shit and reporting this exchange like i said i was gonna, karrius in this thread specifically is doing shit I'd qualify as cross site harassment.

beyond that idk im happy for you or sorry that happened

zil ur fine by me <3

Zilchexo et al.

<3

i'm not aware of multiple posts/threads, or you having said you were going to report people? it may have been in a comment thread with someone who has me blocked :o

but yeah i tried not to cross a line, i kept it simple. probably i shouldn't have said anything but i wanted to back up my friend and provide context for readers

Malus

it took me a HOT SECOND to figure out why i could only see 11 comments with none of the mentioned tomfoolery on this post- turns out past me had the sagacity to mute a bunch of these people already😊

putting things together from context clues, it sounds like they couldn't take what they dish out.

you all doing alright?

Zilchexo et al.

Ye. Thanks

SEELE, the Throne of Souls

oh my god what the fuck

i've saw all that again and it never stops, because this ride never ends

the only funny thing i can see is that the same clique is wailing about Aaron from T&S just blocking them on his account

without any shred of introspection

Zilchexo et al.

smh what did he do

In reply to post 7462742:

emily, literal actual sylveon 🏳️‍⚧️ ΘΔ

MY ANUS IS BLEEDING

alex tax1a

YES

Vikxin

I thought it was "all things holy" but maybe my APD just sucks. Also I haven't seen Rejected in like 20 years

Vikxin

Actually now that I think about it more, it is definitely "all that is holy"

Or holey. Like my anus. (It is bleeding.) (Please laugh.)

In reply to post 7397663:

walking mirage

given the explanation for the technology i suspect it might just be a 556

alex tax1a

oh so they're... coupling milliamp level square waves into the power line for ??? reasons ???

In reply to post 7397617:

warms

love the justification sticker

Vikxin

I can't tell what the funniest part of this is, but I'm leaning towards either the text inside the box just too give a veneer of pretentious reality, or the filed off IC label.

Brian Danger Hicks

Most of the development effort went into the stickers

X

it may not surprise you to learn that the "eau2" is still on sale; it doesn't even pretend to have a fancy box. retail price only $250!

Kran'ts Ton

they put a sticker on the outside saying DONT OPEN THIS and then one on the inside saying This Is Not A Scam :) in case you open it anyway lol

Krowbird

I love that this thing has a sticker inside that basically says “Now, before you get mad at me…”

In reply to post 7391806:

sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

Holy fucking shit

sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

This must be so exhausting to go through, I'm so sorry. I had someone do almost exactly this same shit to me (to the point where part of me wonders if it could be the same person), and it's just SO fucking much to deal with and heal from 🫂

jeroknite

I'm not sure there's anything you can do against someone who's already decided without your input that you're Bad :c

alex tax1a

and this is the thing! it didn't actually matter to her whether or not what she heard was true, there was no recourse in her mind, she just wanted to strike back at us on her way out

In reply to post 7381850:

mattachine meow machine

it's the best thing we have left and it's always been run by the least responsible numbskulls we've ever known

alex tax1a

the whole thing was dragoneer's ego ballast and was run accordingly

Is it Shaker!?

VCL could really save us all with a rise from the grave to retake the throne

Is it Shaker!?

"nobody knows python" and what, nobody had a handful of free weekends to learn it? After someone did all the hard parts for them?? jeez

alex tax1a

always has been a clownshoes operation

Video Cathunk

Here's how weasyl can still win...

In reply to post 7324391:

jeroknite

Ey, congratz

In reply to post 7261249:

fictive

general protection-fault outranks colonel panic, but the show authors didn't really understand rank so they often show colonel panic pulling rank they don't have to keep the plot interesting

In reply to post 7207530:

wray

Oedipus "complex"? I find it quite simple, actually

In reply to post 7184006:

jeroknite

I agree

In reply to post 7150363:

jeroknite

Bitches peeking into your bedroom, and calling you a pervert for it >.<

alex tax1a

it's a little worse than that — we're punished for trying to participate in the apparently-compulsory sexuality of the group :)

In reply to post 7112471:

The Lunar Cycle

I literally just was thinking about how fucking obviously and deeply I had dysphoria but I didn't know that as an egg because nobody at that time was really doing much to describe what dysphoria felt like beyond "sometimes you get sad you don't get to wear skirts" or the complete opposite of "having to have declared yourself a different gender by the time you were 4"

In reply to post 6995428:

luke k

Unless the sneaky thing here is with len(response.body) (or someone fucking with you via HTTP), why isn't content-length going to be the length of the body? If you don't mind explaining a second time today

alex tax1a

content-length is the transferred length of the body, so you can have transfer-encoding: gzip (transferring fewer bytes compared to the decoded body) or transfer-encoding: base64 (transferring more), and also content-length is incompatible with transfer-encoding: chunked, so you may not even have the header at all

luke k

delayed response: but thanks for explaining! I totally forgot about encoding formats and chunked responses

alex tax1a

most people forget about chunked encoding. we used to work, professionally, on an overgrown HTTP proxy, though, and so we know way more about the vagaries of RFC2616 than most people will ever forget.

In reply to post 6860377:

(fen)nic hartley

for alternate kinds of fun, /dev/kmem (not available on every system, but if it is...)

Michaela Sue

fun (derogatory) 😅

In reply to post 6844581:

Zygoatsalami

I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY!!

alex tax1a

wh—which part‽

Kauko

screensavers on windows are and have always been just .exe files renamed to .scr

windows doesn't even do anything special about it it basically just launches the program and handles the lock/unlock security for you

In reply to post 6842555:

Jama

I downloaded some of those old screensaver files last year and threw them back on. They're still very easy to get.

ian michael

gotta say this got a big ol' lmao out of me

Damien

Yeah fair :p

Them being off by default and the UI not having changed in 15 years is more of a “Microsoft stopped caring”

Daria

Why do they need to care about a feature that has worked the same since 1995? Most people don't want or need a screen saver these days, it makes sense to deprioritize it in the current settings menu, but they didn't take it away.

Now tell me MacOS can run the same screen savers from OSX without needing to be converted first.

gravis again

I had to dig into this because my Mac can't run anything after Ventura, but everything I was finding online sure made it look like Apple slurped out all the classic screensavers in Sonoma - I finally found a video that actually scrolls down all the way in the list though, and nah, they're down there, you can get flurry and arabesque and whatnot. Of course, they're buried under the terabyte of live wallpapers Apple is pushing, but that does come back to "this is probably what most people want."

Linux on the other hand apparently lost screensavers to Wayland, which I hadn't heard because I don't use Wayland, and this is why I don't use Wayland. Yet another casualty of the windowing system nobody asked for and which solves no known problem!

Damien

yeah i forgot to come back to this but yeah all the OSX era screensavers are still there, i think Flurry and Arabesque specifically never really left, and they kept adding screensavers over the years. 'Drift' being a great addition that's like, dating back to ~Catalina. I think Apple changed their format in that they cannot be just Quartz Compose files anymore and have to be "apps" but don't quote me on that because I might be misremembering.

aune

considering the new UIs they keep coming up with I consider that part to be a feature, honestly

i do not believe anyone who worked on the new settings panel for anything network related has ever so much as connected to a wifi network

Lapis the Nevrean

Leaving the feature unchanged from how it appeared in Windows 98, turning it off by default, and not packing in most of the screensavers anymore, is not active support. It's the opposite really, it's leaving the code to rot without removing it outright because it still works for now.

I wrote a bunch of .desktop files to get some xscreensaver hacks working under mate-screensaver on my Linux desktop, but there too by default you have two crappy options or else blanking the screen.

Daria

You didn’t frame it that way, you said they took them from us. They didn’t. They don’t actively update it because it’s not a thing people need anymore, but if you want it it’s still there and everything works as it did for the last 29 years. If your complaint is that Microsoft isn’t actively developing new screen savers, say that instead of framing it in some sort of user oppression bullshit.

In reply to post 6837597:

Belarius

As someone with a collection of hundreds of wallpaper-sized art images, I have been extremely well-served by the macOS "Photo Wall" screensaver. It's a cheap trick, but every time I think, "Oh, hey, I love that image!" it puts an ever-so-slight spring in my step.

Wesley Foxx

Real ones remember Flying Toasters, Pipe Dream and potentially making your own art for the 3D maze.

In reply to post 6829025:

An Adorable Sergal

that's... a good way to put it, like there was this huge push to make everything efficient and why not just shut off the screen but the other half is eating up any kind of efficiency gains with ads and chromium in application trenchcoats and nagware built into the OS so now it's like fuck, why can't we just run the pipes screensaver

(is anyone porting xscreensaver stuff to wayland shit?)

DragonMinded

i extracted all the windows 95 screensavers from an iso and they still work on windows 10 so i set my desktop to do the 3d pipes one for a few minutes before putting the monitors to sleep and it makes me very happy every time i see it :3

v

yeah i have very fond memories of admiring the screensaver on my family's old windows 7. it was real pretty.

Nire Bryce

lol I wonder if MS do this to game their efficiency numbers in a very literal since they started plastering carbon offsets on half the settings options and on their website and product details.

nothing to benefit the user, very little energy saved with modern displays, but in aggregate let's you lie about co2 because idling computers aren't running the display, but modern computers are idle half the day or more

Damien

nah screensavers 'died' a slow death on Windows way before Microsoft started acting like they care about carbon emissions. the screensaver settings pane in Windows 11 still looks the same as it did in Vista

K. Starling

The irony, of course, is that they're actually useful again now that we have OLED displays.

the cat ever

xscreensaver is a wonder. i don't use my linux lappy a whole lot so probably 98% of the time its life's purpose is to sit there and play an animation of 4d double rotations or an outside in type beat or moosay the time and date or even display fake error messages and so on. it's almost certainly not necessary for the screen at all, but it's so valuable to me (plus it pulls double duty by auto-locking the computer after a certain period of time). i've been meaning to figure out making my own ones for that thing

Irenes (many)

xscreensaver is so good

In reply to post 6734625:

Kel the Purple and xer sister Pim

🐉 cyote! 💜 ~kel

In reply to post 6697710:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

I mean... I don't even fully agree with you on the original point, and still! That's brainworm-poisoned Twitter shit right there. -_-

alex tax1a

and, well, you know this, there's ways to disagree with us that don't make us block you

In reply to post 6697239:

An Adorable Sergal

I mean, they do exist. The Stop Cop City movement, the Dakota Pipeline protests, and even leftist militias are all out there. It's an uphill battle though because the State coddles one side and oppresses the other. I think you'll find that there's a lot more organization going on than what you might predict from what people say online

In reply to post 6696864:

nyankat

Amazing

In reply to post 6618344:

Iri

Where is this?

In reply to post 6552018:

fictive

i swear you have a knack for meeting parodies of reality that have become manifest

alex tax1a

perils of being one, i think

Vikxin

Damn my home mail server runs Debian, but at least it backs up to a system running on FreeBSD.

Still workin' on that tape drive though.

In reply to post 6550662:

Princess Icky

Gosh, yeah. Incredibly well put! I always worry that talking about this makes me sound like an asshole, like I'm being bitter and spiteful, but its so hard to deal with constantly. And I never say it to try to close off any possibility of sisterhood, I say it because I wish things felt more open for me to connect with others.

lys bedsores

i think you put your original post really well, you don't sound like an asshole in it! this is really common, and your exhaustion with it makes sense and is expressed humbly and honestly imo

RANK OUT!

This is why I really dislike the "Transgender Shitposting" group on redacted-book, a lot of the memes are very white-centric, and some of the memes are literally stolen and uncredited fanart with Impact-font captions slapped on top (sometimes even being labeled "OC" or watermarked, ie. plagiarism), as if Japanese-made fanart is little more than public domain assets for anyone to use - never mind that many Japanaese artists have a "no unauthorized redistribution" clause.

I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way about white queer culture because I've wanted to say this but fear I'll be thrown off the Golden Gate Bridge by the Silicon Valley queer community

easrng

yeah the way people treat japanese art specifically is so weird like it's nice to be able to search so much relatively well tagged art on just gelbooru or whatever and i lowkey wish that was a thing for more western art outside of specific niches but it's weird that people have a double standard...

Kamala Kara

I don't actually care for Bioncle.

Live☆Twin Lil-la

me when a lot of trans people I know (including myself) never had a "dysphoria hoodie" after someone insisted to me that every trans person has them.

In reply to post 6549184:

A Bunny approaches from the brush! What would you like to do?

I think my least enjoyed expression of this is "You haven't watched (XYZ media thing usually made for children)? You have to, it's so queer!" Not only as though that's the only criteria that matters, but also as though said piece of media has been adopted into queer canon as pop-culture identity must-haves for 30 year olds.

God I feel this post so deep in my bones.

Princess Icky

I can't count the number of times I've been given that recommendation only to watch the thing and be like "wow, this is all white/pale skinned thin people. Time to feel worse about myself!"

Keiya the Cyber-Kitty

Huh. The definition I've seen most is, roughly, that transgender people are people for whom the set of genders they are does not match the set of genders they were assigned at birth.

Austin Ramsay Games

The post is not about the literal definition of transgender but about the social definition of what a trans person is for some people. Like the idea that all transwomen have a blahaj, play Fallout New Vegas, and drink Monster energy drinks is a social definition of transwomen that comes out of very specific groups of people but is often applied as a blanket statement.

the local saytr

i feel this so hard ough

In reply to post 6509417:

gravis again

this was my understanding, but the question i have is why didn't we switch over sooner? in '81 i figure signaling rates were low enough that the simplicity of parallel was a reasonable tradeoff, but it feels like 1996 was waaaay late for people to go "hey, you know what, this sucks, maybe we should bite the bullet and do it the way we all know is Correct", you know what I mean?

alex tax1a

probably assbackward compatibility tbh

also we never had a problem using SPP devices on EPP mode, for whatever that's worth. i thought both of the expanded modes were supersets of SPP! we do remember EPP mode being preferred for those parallel-port ZIP drives.

also, did you know that people have bastardized SPP for data communications with a 4-bit backchannel by repurposing the printer error signals? IIRC this is how at least one pre-ethernet PC direct-cable-connection thing worked

yuubi

YRC. Linux had a driver called "plip" that could use such a ("parallel laplink"?) cable. like 250kbit/s throughput, but that's about the capacity of the isp where i plugged it in.

In reply to post 6509319:

Runner

when are we going to get the fabled perpendicular port. or tangent ports. two lines AB and CD converging at point E ports.

Morning Song

I'd wager it's one of those things where like... serial communication can be slightlydumber. If you have a 16-bit parallel link, that's 16 bits you have to keep aligned. If you have 16 nominally independent serial links, alignment is downstream's problem.

hk

there was one simple reason why parallel ports fell out of fashion: clock skew. Parallel ports are fantastic at pushing more bandwidth when you have low switching speeds and small transistor counts; every wire has to be connected to a relatively simple piece of logic, and you can have dedicated wires for some functions to avoid having to encode/decode them as packets in hardware. However, writing was on the wall for ATA and other parallel ports by the 90s. As clock speeds increase, so does the difficulty of keeping delays caused by different wire lengths in check, and this along with the ability to put more logic on a board naturally pushed standard developers to add more signals in-band and to keep wire links as simple as possible

hk

w/r/t PCIe: it's not a classic parallel interface, but it's not "sixteen serial links" as you described. There's data striping involved in a 16x link, where each 8/10b or, more recently, 128/130b sequence is sent via a separate link. there's a somewhat complicated logic involved in recovering the data from all 16x links while accounting for wire delays between them, and I think actually a requirement to keep wire lengths within some picoseconds of each other?

gravis again

oh, huh, I did not know that. well. shit, then.

In reply to post 6409170:

Michaela Sue

That's more cursed than average, even for email!

alex tax1a

something else had quoted-printable iso-8859-9 =C8=01, which, as declared, is È␁ and is invalid UTF-8 — we have NO idea what could have been meant there

In reply to post 6327804:

fictive

fuck it undelivers your email

Richard Barrell

emails suck anyway

burn them all! 🔥

In reply to post 6107618:

jeroknite

Ha ha, I don't

In reply to post 6083610:

Saphire Lattice❄️🌙

Uh

Why are these individual instances? Thought you’re meant to like, have a big postfix instance handling many things? Idk though how this works beyond the scale of "uwu little personal toy mail server that rejects everything with invalid spf which apparently would make steam emails disappear if I used it for real"

Also curious what’s the MTA? Some in-house solution?

alex tax1a

this was for day-job work. the outbound mail in a given zone would go to one of the 15 postfixes in that zone via load balancer. having all of that in one big instance would be ...prohibitive. The point of using individual instances was to have separate IPs, and the new MTA can use haproxy to reach out instead of having an actual mailserver occupying that address.

the MTA we've replaced it with is a commercial product

In reply to post 6016599:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Good gods, WHY?!

That sounds like it comes from the same cognitive territory as the zip-bomb

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

computers were a mistake

In reply to post 5916280:

The Pnictogen Wing

surely there must have been an understanding, at some level of the Twitter hierarchy, that they were profiting by keeping troublemakers around, right? I suppose they would have justified it in terms of "metrics" ~Chara

Amy Dentata

They're profiting from it, so they'll play dumb forever

alex tax1a

"this website is free", they said

In reply to post 5868889:

Dragaroth

I've legit seen someone talk like blocking people is some sort of "accept defeat"

and it really is some alien fucking shit, i swear.

In reply to post 5715429:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

When the only language the culture you're born and raised in speaks is "Throw the other person in a camp and/or kill them, and take their land for your own", you grow up with brainworms.

That kind of reaction is just another sign that there is still so much work to be done.

In reply to post 5695723:

Kel

its maybe hard for culturally-christian americans to imagine anything like this beyond personal, total, life-and-limb self-sacrifice because thats the hegemonic moral paradigm (pretend hegemonic moral paradigm is a normal thing to say)

walk tall, or baby don't walk at all

very much that, yeah. it's frustrating trying to earnestly talk to people about life after the settler state and indigenous sovereignty, just for the last 100 years of cultural settler projection to cut off any understanding with fear and distrust.

~

oh haha, "Turtle Island" took me a moment, I'd forgotten about that one, good name

skulgun

What's a good book on Land Back?

NeckSpike

With the shitheads in charge of the land now, I don't see how it could possibly be worse and many ways it would probably be better.

chronos

We're so indoctrinated with the idea that everything has a single owner who has absolute control over a thing, when the reality is that most forms of "property" (but especially land and living things) have a wide array of sentient beings who are affected by the choice of how to treat it, use it, and maintain it. None of us can live without Earth's ecosystems keeping the planet hospitable for all live to thrive. But that conflicts hard with the last few hundred years of Western philosophy, including folks like John Locke who were directly influential on the British colonialist project.

walk tall, or baby don't walk at all

Very that!!!! Individualism and exceptionalism have led large populations of mankind to see ownership as all-or-nothing — the end-all, be-all — when everything about our day-to-day shows us that life, society, and goods are all communal. The indoctrination runs so deep.

In reply to post 5581239:

The Pnictogen Wing

it can vaguely be construed as a face with a beaky nose, or (other way) someone with a lock of hair hanging down

Wyatt fractal Starlight 👼🪞🎤

that looks like a face terezi homestuck would make

In reply to post 5511814:

Huldra

The story of half our build scripts at work:

"hey guys, lets use go instead of Make/bash. That's modern."

"Hey guys, why are all our build scripts just go code that shells out to the docker and gcp CLIs?"

In reply to post 5408674:

𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖆𝖘

#The New Bert & Ernie

Melody þe Cat

LOOK AT THESE GODDAMN CLOWN HANDS

Melody þe Cat

DBZ powering up scream

girlfiend

that's me, on the right, wondering if my head will fit into that gorgeous maw for completely not horny reasons. I want it so bad.

KelliKow

NO, just LISTEN. I was HIGH when they fucking HIT THE GODDAMN TOWERS.

Krowbird

We have been TRYING to REACH YOU concerning your CAR'S extended WARRANTY

The Pnictogen Wing

"Why is my left hand twenty percent bigger than my right?! Why is my left EYE twenty percent bigger than my right?? WHAT IS THIS SHIT"

Fyter

"I don't CARE about your clown nose, Troy! You don't have to brag about it being a bargain, you got it at a DOLLAR STORE!"

In reply to post 5268183:

alex tax1a

more! people! should! be! saying! this!

In reply to post 5268169:

Lex

LJ 2004 🤝 carcinization

In reply to post 5268071:

Daisy

YESSSSSSS i was thinking of Google Circles while i read this!!! it was so surprisingly effective at group management, I'm sad no one else major has tried

In reply to post 5252095:

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

:yeah:

clara sparks

yeah sounds about right for me — “how I feel” is too biased on account of damage

In reply to post 5238333:

jeroknite

Why are they Like this? >.<

alex tax1a

pervasive notion in their head that the world exists to cater to their convenience, and that their actions have no consequences that they don't intend. :)

In reply to post 5236335:

Sherliz Holmes

yeah it extremely sucks but 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ guess that's just my life now

In reply to post 5236295:

ETPC

DOGG TELL ME ABOUT IT

videogames is one word

it's reached the point where I genuinely miss the early days of the pandemic where people would like... actually stand there and go "no mask, no entry" and there was shit like guiding arrows on the supermarket floors to help with social distancing!

but no, instead it's just "oh everyone is fine if I die"

andi

What kills me is walking into establishments past signs saying "must wear masks inside!", every time I get on the TTC the voice saying "masks are strongly recommended on the TTC", the big "masks are strongly recommended on the TTC" posters, and I'm the only one in a mask sometimes. If I'm not the only one in a mask I'm one of three people on a whole big streetcar. Nobody hears the "strongly recommended" notice, they've tuned it out. I actually tuned it out and I realized suddenly a couple weeks ago I'd been ignoring the notice every time I get on for about 2 years

Lucar

"strongly recommend" is just a suggestion, if its not strictly enforced, then selfish ppl have no reason to comply. I hate how it went from "strictly enforced" to "strongly recommend" bc these fucks whined and tantrumed hard enough abt their personal freedoms being taken away that the cdc backed off like cowards

In reply to post 5231144:

Brisken

What about if you feel happy after 9pm?

glotch

like all good pieces of advice i've received, i selectively apply this piece of advice only to what i want to apply it to

Echo Cian

Counterpoint: everything useful I have applied for with an online form, from food stamps to FAFSA, was done in a fit of anxiety rage at 2 am

...as were most of my panic attacks. So fair, maybe.

glotch

the delicate balance of blocking the depression while keeping the late night "fuck it we ball" energy

Lupi

god, fuck, don't i know that. it's always after midnight in a cocktail of emotional exhaustion and pent up frustration that i just boil over and do yet another job site application volley that never pans out

In reply to post 5209274:

glotch

wikipedia says its from 2007 so i think this may be a case of misinformation on the internet

edit: forgot countries existed that are not the united states with its abnormally high drinking age oops

mint

Ooo i see

gabriel (2 inches taller)

I WAS INCORRECT 😭

In reply to post 5207327:

mint

noooo im not ready to be old yett

In reply to post 5046861:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Honestly I have to ask which meta? Because I havn't seen much direct about Cohost's? And the one I witnessed over on Masto is... well it's not conflict-avoidant, I'll say that much. XP

alex tax1a

what we're seeing is this doubly-avoidant bit where the people running the site were delaying the potentially-difficult conversation about how the anonymous benefactor funding the site would rather disappear off the face of the earth than have a potentially difficult conversation, or at least this is our interpretation of events.

In reply to post 4991386:

DVD Player

You’ve immediately exposed your Yu-Gi-Oh! Influences with the layout, typing, and ATK/DEF styles especially the “?” Undefined aspect!!!! I SEE YOU!!!!!

sirocyl

I'm not sure if this ever develops that I'd even use "atk/def" stats like that. But I totally copied it because I needed some kinda stat to go there hahah--

EXODIA OBLITERATE

sadmac356

I would play that

In reply to post 4989995:

mei 🌒&

that's great

In reply to post 4826353:

mattachine meow machine

i love this tale

jeroknite

>:3c

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Between Dragoneer and IMVU... pulling a stunt like that is the very definition of chaotic good. XD

In reply to post 4781608:

walking mirage

roughly cube shaped

sirocyl

"Why are you looking at me like I have twenty-seven heads?"

In reply to post 4738408:

Mica "Got That Dog In Her" Kobold

This is so fucking good holy shit

Nat& Spectrum System - θ∆

🐺 Holy shit this goes hard.

🩸BEAUTIFUL, OUTSTANDING! Core ripping and soul igniting! Thank you for sharing your work, this was a lovely piece to read.

The Wires System

Thank you so much for your kind comments and for letting this piece into your hearts!

In reply to post 4733684:

ahundred T. wolfsatyr

after reading all of these Pepper Ann does seem like a gender

In reply to post 4732917:

Cian

excuse me??? pepper ann was originally 7up mascot Fido Dido's lesbian bestie??? im losing my mind over here!!!

Cassandra Matthews

i love these, thanks for posting them!

In reply to post 4697703:

Krake

@atax1a this chost is accidentally(?) the plot of Bloodborne.

alex tax1a

never played it, no idea what's going on here

Krake

Well, it's kind of a lot but basically the whole central reason the messed up horror stuff happens in that game is because a bunch of university men couldn't understand a miraculous cosmic birth by a being from another plane of existence and thought "let's cut it open to see what's inside!"

There's more to it but that's the short version. I was drawing a parallel between your observation at the potential harm caused by a need to dissect things not understood for information in real life, and themes of destructive attempts to force rational comprehension of things which must be understood intuitively in the game.

In reply to post 4697501:

Nire Bryce

taking a big glug of corn steep liquor and then drawing a diagram

The Pnictogen Wing

everyone needs their dietary allotment of sulfur dioxide!

In reply to post 4697259:

Krake

RIGHT? Like, no mistake the meat industry is fucked and animals deserve to be treated better, but vegans are out here being like "oh no those poor cows, good thing plants exist only to be food and provide oxygen, surely there's no evidence plants and fungi are equally alive as other creatures. 🤡"

Ξ

i mean, i was vegan for like 2 weeks when i was 5 and realized what meat is. but then i took a hard look at what a tree is and immediately concluded they are every bit as alive and feeling. and i mean, consider mycelium. plants have had the internet for millennia. lmao

i think the take away is that moral superiority is cop behavior.

Krake

It's the unfortunate consequence of being such as we are, animals that must consume others to survive. We're all just trying to exist, and I wish we could go throughout our lives without harming another being, but mother nature just isn't here for that.

On the topic of moral superiority though I gotta say it's really funny how some people (typically of a conservative bend) demonstrate the same sense of superiority often ascribed to vegans for eating meat.

Anyways yes, #acab

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Aria🐛✨

they can also see but how 😭 ???!

Obsidian

Not only see but some plants can mimic the appearance of nearby plants too

jeroknite

Do you mind linking the source for that quote? I want to read more

ꙮ tatybara ꙮ

https://phys.org/news/2017-04-reveals-sources.html#:~:text=In%20the%20study%20%22Tuned%20in,towards%20the%20source%20of%20water.

In reply to post 4666812:

walking mirage

these are two foundational tenets of whatever the hell i'm talking about

alex tax1a

from our perspective they are the thing, in and of itself, and everything else follows from that.

jeroknite

Yes, but also

I think it's important to just have like, a good philosophy in place to make sure that it actually does follow from that. I don't trust enough to think there won't be bastards who just want to do Capitalism Again trying to get control.

Getting everyone to agree that maybe we shouldn't be Doing All This might also help get to the decolonization part as well

In reply to post 4665058:

JcDent

And then those ideas cause @NoelBWrites to suffer at school

TyreForHyre

i will do what must be done, i will eat every 30 foot tall pile of cheeseburgers until everyone may see eye to eye once more

jeroknite

I just want to live in harmony with Mother Earth, why can't all these ecofash shut the frick up? >.<

walking mirage

we can do it. we can invent borehole ecology. it makes no sense for one group of animals to oppress another

whirly

you should get in touch with indigenous activism. you dont need to reinvent the wheel when its already existed for native people for a long time. i have a few books i can recommend you if youd like...?

walking mirage

always down for book recommendations but what i'm envisioning is a set of beliefs that is a superset of "land back" and "decolonize fucking everything"

whirly

too true ! i think you will definitely like our history is the future by nick estes. he doesnt pull any punches with that stuff, its really good

whirly

i just remembered ! TEK - 'traditional ecological knowledge.' thats an entire indigenous led field of study, and its definitely what youre looking for. i dont have a specific book rec for that, i guess we can both read more, haha

Julia Floyd

You might want to take a look at the book “Braiding Sweetgrass” by Robin Wall Kimmerer. One of the main points the book makes is that humans can be actively beneficial to ecosystems we interact with. Its a matter on living in good relation to the environment, not about the number of humans that are alive.

walking mirage

got a copy on the top of my physical stack of books i need to read

three genders in a wenchcoat

isn't this solarpunk?

fingerless

the guy who wrote "The Population Bomb" was just a butterfly entomologist. Up there with mechanical engineer by training Thomas Midgely Jr. in guys who caused untold devastation by not staying in their lane.

walking mirage

see also alleged anarchist, park ranger, and profound racist Edward Abbey

Rika Klassen

This book might interest you: Black Social Ecology and Kohei Saito's books on eco-Marxism might intrigue you as well.

In reply to post 4572098:

midgar zoloft

classic situations honestly

alex tax1a

we remember it fondly

In reply to post 4516632:

Huldra

Thanks for reminding me to listen to Stromkern again

alex tax1a

Light It Up is the best Bush-era protest album, followed by Skinny Puppy's Greater Wrong of the Right.

American Idiot is fine and all, but...

In reply to post 4493800:

Nire Bryce

they were ~~defending the guy~~ [in the comments about the pillowfort poster] writing long discourse-guides blowing all the cohost drama out of proportion and stripping context[, saying it was useful]

alex tax1a

unsurprised that we've got this turbo-shithead behavior from a pinche gringo

sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

I'm sorry y'all had to deal with him, too. He's classifying every opposition to his edgelord antics as being "from white people" even when I and everyone else I know who's mentioned his bullshit are nonwhite people. I don't believe anything he says is sincere, he's a racist farming outrage for his own entertainment.

Brisken

Fucking hell, he's one of my followers too. Not anymore though, he can fuck off.

jeroknite

Heh, I already had him blocked.

Yeah, there's a type of White Ally™️ who seems to be more interested in being the Most Ally™️ and making sure everyone else Knows It, than actually like, solving problems. They gotta make it all about them, I guess, idk

In reply to post 4474126:

nortti OH1CAU

another choice would be to use e.g. the us-international keyboard layout, though being a modification of the US one, it somewhat awkwardly has to use ' as a dead key

In reply to post 4463521:

Nire Bryce

yeah we picked that one up in wastewater monitoring in April 2020

Internet Janitor

Implying they made it into the toilet and remembered to flush is perhaps a bit generous, honestly.

alex tax1a

nah. they stared us in the eyes as they deliberately shat their reputation out in a brown liquid spray, and flushed repeatedly.

In reply to post 4452854:

linus

t2t's f2r. i m4y use the a10n to a3d s6g "a11y"

"blahblahblah".replaceAll(/\w+/g,w=>(w.length<=3)?w:w[0]+(w.length-2)+w[w.length-1])

In reply to post 4451303:

mint

I'm pretty sure the built in browser dev tools have accessibility checking tools I've also heard the advice to try using a screen reader software on your website and just trying to use it

John Colagioia

For colors in particular, it's definitely not perfect, but as a "first pass," you can generally transform the color-space for all the colors and re-check the contrasts. Years ago, I found an SVG filter set, which can work for a quick visual inspection.

It's also possible to use the matrices in the filter to transform the colors in your current theme, generate a list of pair-wise contrasts, and check them against the guidelines automatically, but you're dealing with loose abstractions of loose abstractions, at that point, so you wouldn't want to rely on any result that tells you that you're fine...

Most I/O devices (other than screen-readers that are already software) probably have an emulator, too, though I've never looked.

linus

thanks! in the case of my personal webpage, my that's probably more relevant than e.g. inspecting the accessibility tree, since the html is pretty plain

In reply to post 4427069:

Panic! At The Opticon!

great post

Mae 美妍

Thank you.

! a creatures !!

necessary words, here.

Mae 美妍

Thanks.

quyksilver

I once had a professor call my by the name of my teammmate who was also Chinese, he denied to my face that it was a race thing but now that I think about it I never observed him make this mistake with anyone else

Mae 美妍

Yeah. That's the kind of thing I am talking about.

QuestioningEspecialy

because she had to grapple with the parts of her that were struggling to see us as distinct individuals.

I'm honestly not of the opinion that Euros accidentally mix up people of the same race, so it's interesting to hear your take on it.

In reply to post 4404820:

Chimerelda E. Error, layabout

Shoot the allure of white flight instead of actually fixing the problems they created really is kind of a thing isn't it?

alex tax1a

we see this all the goddamn time. socially, spiritually, psychically. "i don't have to deal with that because i can just go somewhere else".

In reply to post 4399160:

woz

hi

cyan

heyhey! o/

Moose!

waves at you!!!!

Sharb

hihihihi

bedofrosies

hi fliss!!!

Aitch

hello!!

In reply to post 4399012:

multioculate

I really wish there was a way to get people to watch some of the right-wing "homesteader" genre of youtuber (bearded men with $50,000 trucks and brand-new tractors mostly removing stumps from their yards, uncanny women rearing children named Bradley) to inoculate them against the cottage-core RETVRN TO DIRT leftist strain of the same meme.

Nire Bryce

i think it's telling that even one of the more popular ones couldn't make it and now brands himself "professional homeowner". he started with 500,000$ of construction vehicles.

In reply to post 4334965:

mint

🫂

In reply to post 4309377:

Arina Artemis

You can with normal CSS, probably not with inline styles though.

alex tax1a

yeah but so how do we do it — this isnt for a chost, its for a thing where we have the ability to put in normal CSS

Arina Artemis

Here's a JSFiddle: https://jsfiddle.net/4ynz9a6j/

In reply to post 4272079:

The Pnictogen Wing

👍

Geight

hell yea

In reply to post 4270191:

The Pnictogen Wing

the Internet Archive has it marked as unavailable for borrowing, bleh. not available through interlibrary loan either, from what I can tell...

alex tax1a

we found it on libgen iirc

In reply to post 4261866:

walking mirage

i habitually walked through the tenderloin with an om-4ti and occasionally a pentax 67 around my neck and was not bothered one single time

alex tax1a

we walked around visibly trans all over san francisco and, possibly because we don't carry ourselves as a slimy little toad whose power rests in their gun, nobody bothered us

In reply to post 4260439:

Coda

the amount of times where people have like sighed and said "oh no" when I've mentioned that I'm from/near detroit

JillieDaw

my experience has mostly just been "maybe be careful about that one place if it's dark"

Video Cathunk

in late 2021 (after the vaccines were out for a while and we took all possible precautions) I visited a friend in Portland. I was getting patted down at my local midwest city's airport and the TSA guy was making small talk. I mentioned I was heading to portland when he asked (probably shouldn't volunteer info in the future) and the guy looked at me like I said I was going to Syria. I half expected to be asked into a side room for questioning the way he reacted.

Like, it's literally just a normal city where people live not an active warzone.

don't look at me, I'm just kity

I have to think that part of his reaction was due to all the news about BLM protests going on at the time (namely, that a lot of media outlets were trying Really Hard to make it seem like the protests were horrifying anarchist terrorist movements and Not like the local police forces were literally making parts of the city unsafe to be in)

but also I live in a completely different large city over a thousand miles away, so take with a grain of salt/I probably don't know all the details/etc

rachel

Portlander here and when I got this kind of reaction back in 2020/2021 I absolutely replied with "yeah the cops are out of control here". It's just a place, we all worked the whole time!

fictive

im like, way more scared of getting run over by a car than literally anything else in a city. my fear of a particular city is proportional to the lane widths i think

001zlnv

I kind of wonder what they see when they look around Philly. it was my favorite city to live in without a car, just because it was so easy to get around with a mix of walking, busses and subway

In reply to post 4260363:

Scree

I remember people talking about how terrible and violent glasgow is and like... pretty much all of it is concentrated out in the northeast and even then it's basically just shithead neds egging the houses

In reply to post 4260327:

garudina

tbh they think that about Seattle too

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

I was gonna say, I used to live in Bellevue and I knew people who never, ever crossed the lake

Tawnus

There's so many people out there that are either paranoid about theoretical "big city crime" or their parents were; I still run into people from time to time that are flabbergasted that I took the city bus to middle school in San Diego

In reply to post 4249168:

gabriel (2 inches taller)

People are 100% only weird about it too because they don't like to think they have to do shit too. Like I wore a mask before the pandemic bc of allergies & I uswd to be self-conscious about my teeth and nobody mentioned it. All of a sudden I got people walking up to me like "oh I bet you're so pretty under there" bitch this is to protect you and your drink from my snot it doesn't matter how pretty I am

gabriel (2 inches taller)

Sorry, incomprehensible, anyways I hate showing my full face in public and I kinda can't believe there are people who just like. Care so much about having a sense of normalcy that they'd talk to me about how much they wanna see my face.

garak

I thought the eyes were supposed to be windows to the soul or whatever. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? The humanity is stored in the tear ducts?

Gonna have to get a mask that says "the window to my soul is UP THERE ⬆️"

Tourma

I still wear my mask and over the years have intentionally tried to "smile" more with my eyes since my mouth is covered. (Apparently smiling only with the mouth is more of an American thing? I dunno.) I do still try and keep my "eat shit and die" expression out of my eyes. Bearing my teeth privately is nice too.

Silly Rabbit

once again vindicated in my belief that neurotypicals are not human

Dragaroth

I'm honestly not sure if this whole thing is just missing speciesal social body language or not. its like if a bunch of dogs said, "why do dogs care about tail posturing"

This isn't an argument starter thing its an honest question of is this just simplifying the whole thing on purpose, or an actual gap in knowledge.

Shel

I mean ask the NTs but a defining trait of autism is not having an easy understanding of nonverbal social cues. An autistic dog probably would not understand tail posturing

elliot

If anyone ever were to tell me they need to see my teeth I would bite them

Shel

Please be kind to dentist

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Big Mick Energy

What is so fucking galling to me is that there were other options. There were amendments that would have sought to resolve the issue of competing access needs.

It seems very clear to me that this decision was simply driven by people who don't want to bother with it anymore (to say nothing of being fed by the normalization if dangerous public health policy brought on by the sociological production of the end of the pandemic).

alex tax1a

mainstream (i.e. white) society puts individual personal comfort and convenience over anything else, including the idea of public health, so we're not really surprised by this, just exhausted.

fingerless

Elite Panic theory is a fantastic explanation of this phenomenon

jeroknite

I'm a bit tired of seeing everyone's faces tbh >.>

Sherliz Holmes

listen I would love to be able to wear lipstick again but on the other hand: literally everything else takes priority omg. I'm so sorry to all of y'all, this is so dispiriting.

In reply to post 4242150:

alyaza birze ΘΔ

ahahah ohhhh nooo

alex tax1a

it was absolutely incoherent, proposing a world that landlord murder and "demands for better HVAC" were somehow easier than putting on a goddamn mask during an active airborne pandemic that gives you a systemic disease, and exerting social pressure on your community to do the same.

then there was some additional nonsense about how emphasis on "individual actions, like masking" was somehow a benefit to the airline CEO class, because they don't want to pay for better HVAC, therefore ??? ??? ???

sharks + planes as formerly seen on Twitter

Whaaaaaaat. I'm so sorry y'all had to perceive that bc wtaf.

alex tax1a

also like, lol, yes, i totally believe this tech-dweeb guy whose response to this was to misgender me and imply that we're a sex creep, is the kind of person to have the resolve to actually injure a landlord, when he won't even exert the tiniest bit of social pressure on his comrades to mask. that's totally a coherent worldview that is even possible.

borat voice not

it's all just posturing crossed with thought-terminating cliches.

The Pnictogen Wing

(sighs) is there some way to cut through all the bullshit? I wish that were easier, but if you tell some tedious person directly, "look I'm not interested in your blizzard of rationalization, if you privately think wearing a mask makes you look stupid or makes baby Jesus cry or whatever, JUST SAY SO" then they just get really angry.

In reply to post 4242027:

Coda

cue somebody calling buying a product from a company that sucks "crossing the picket line" when there is no picket line

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

it's so frustrating because I love their energy, I love the hope and ambition that things could Really Change, but there's such a lack of understanding of even the day-to-day basics of how things work in grownup world

(also there is the problem of demands. I don't know which one you're looking at right now but the ones I've seen either have a big "TBD" for demands, or a massive laundry list of lefty political stances that poll at like 11% among the general public)

alyaza birze ΘΔ

I don't know which one you're looking at right now but the ones I've seen either have a big "TBD" for demands,

the one i'm seeing going around basically proposes shutting yourself off from society (don't buy anything the entire week, go outside, do leisure, etc.) and lean on mutual aid which... 1) seems just a little bit incongruent with the fact that this is supposed to start this week and gives people no time to prepare; and 2) presumes that there are mutual aid networks which exist at all, much less are capable of facilitating this, much less are capable of facilitating a huge hypothetical increase in their usage for a full week. not ideal!

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

the fact that despite being a pathologically-online lefty I hadn't seen it, and after searching a few of the more obvious keywords still haven't seen it, seems like another flaw in this plan

alyaza birze ΘΔ

it probably doesn't help that it seems to be making the rounds via infograph and that global is misspelled on the headline to said infograph

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

Oh now I've found it, I think, it's a "strike for Palestine"

but afaik my employer already doesn't do any business in or with Israel

so even if the union was 100% pro-Palestine which I really doubt, there's no way they would support this strike and I don't think it would even be legal for them to

skulgun

there is at least one document on the anarchist library where the topic is "Against Demands" and I haven't read it but I do know it's a position that exists

Keeble

as a union bird myself, yeah, a lot of this stuff has the energy of people whove never talked to an organizer and seen what works, and also how to build power among a group of people with disperate interests. personal example here: im relatively covid concious compared to the average person, and as a steward at my shop i organized hard to try to continue the mask mandate when it was up for a vote whether it continues or not. i failed, because people are "done" (including young leftists). in the time since then, about four of those people have started wearing masks again, but that was due to their own judgement of the workers themselves going "hey i dont wanna get sick". covid/infectious disease organizers can do a lot but they work within the limits of the imagination of who they organize. and that, all that, is just one issue, a microcosm of a whole spate of crap thats restricted by taft hartley and other stuff too. as much as i think that reading more would absolutely help these people (and my coworkers more already tuned into leftist literature or near-leftist stuff like naomi klein were never hard to convince) the big thing to me is like...talking to people in the real world lmao. the techno-hermit's perspective is INCREDIBLY limited. "twitter isnt real life" goes way beyond twitter. you cannot do organization entirely from online, i think, without some way of making you talk to people you wouldnt ordinarily (and i dont mean debate, i mean long form narrative conversation)

Daniel Martin

This is part of why I think the call by the UAW for unions to align their contract end dates to April 30th is wonderful long-term strategy. There's clearly existing desire for large, cross-industry strikes but little actual organization as yet. However, if enough of the union contracts expire together anyway leading to a strike on the day that's explicitly for that sort of action...

In reply to post 4241154:

ceɑꞃᵹæꞅꞇ

stopped for a couple seconds stuck on the title of this post without reading further trying to figure out who "R.E.I.S." stood for that people were being exterminatory radical feminist at

alex tax1a

lmao

In reply to post 4225480:

Lupi

god lmao

i'm sure he's gonna be riding that high forever

Amagire

hahaha oh no, I'm sure valuable lessons were learned here that will be applied to the next Engineering Stunt

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

living in mortal terror of one day hearing "the stock market is actually pretty easy to model..."

Nire Bryce

it is, unfortunately some people are paid a salary to be faster than everyone else though so you can't really act on it anyway

A Jeb With No Name

Champion tbqh

Irenes (many)

oh no :D the worst case

qim

has he published a tutorial yet?

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

Not yet, I did tell him he oughta

蒸しルビー

that's hilarious, engineers are great

🌷 doodlemancy 🌷

absolutely peak mad scientist shit, congrats to him, my condolences

Nire Bryce

yeah

Zuthal

Dudes rock

pem

hahaha, goals.

Plyca

He's about to become insufferable

Moo 🌸

Optics was basically the only thing I could do back-of-the-napkin in engineering school.

signal eleven

I'm sorry, this is so devastating for you

~

Lmao I mean yeah, optometrists have screwed up my prescription multiple times, so I guess I'd kinda trust my own readouts more tbh

jay!

that would give me a dangerous amount of confidence if I managed it. best of luck

jay!

also by any chance do you have the calibrated charts? because doing this might actually save me like $300 a pair and my glasses are old lol

SysL

Cliff, as someone with engineer family: I'm so sorry he was right, good luck.

anuw

Works really well for something as simple as measuring how nearsighted you are in diopters. That one number that optometrists tell you, which tell you how 'blind' you are is really just a measurement of 1 divided by how many centimetres you can see clearly before there is blur. Which is something you can do easily enough at home. There are websites online that show you stuff like spinning graphs that calculate your precise visual acuity based on if you can determine which direction they are spinning. For someone not interested in all that math you could also just slowly walk towards a Snellen chart until all the lines are fully readable without any blur. But blur can be very hard to recognise so it's pretty subjective.

The hard part is if you have any astigmatism at all. Astigmatism is directional blur and it's a whole lot messier mathematically. That's why they typically use big machines that show you an image and stare at your eye to calculate your astigmatism. The only real value of an optometrist to someone like your partner is testing astigmatism and general eye health.

Best of both worlds is to just go to an optometrist to check your eye health, get your astigmatism and general blur measurements, and then say thanks and order glasses online. Luxottica holds a monopoly over pretty much every single pair of glasses on display at your optometrist, which is why your $20 pair of glasses is being sold as $200.

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy

he has astigmatism and needs a prism correction, this was way beyond squinting at a Snellen chart, there were all kinds of complicated home-baked "if i can see a gap between these lines at that angle..." grid things going on.

Liz Fong-Jones

That's so incredibly metal

Lena Hojoz

ENGINEERS FOR CHRIST SAKE

In reply to post 4178315:

walking mirage

The 3M HF-800SD series has both a speaking diaphragm and an exhalation valve. It takes Secure Click filters which are way easier to breathe through than old-style bayonet filters because they have a lot more surface area and intake on both sides. It also has a fit test button (hold it to block incoming air, inhale, and see if the mask suctions to your face).

Most people are probably going to have to order the respirator and filters because it's 3M's "next generation respirator" and I've never seen one in a hardware store. They also make a full facepiece version for people who are hardcore

I've been wearing one at work and in public for three years and it hasn't worn out and still fits perfectly.

fictive

owo ty! i was hoping if anyone knew if one that did both this post would draw them out ^-^

walking mirage

it also has particulate filters with "nuisance organic vapor filtration" that filter out smells

fictive

yeah the MSA advantage line has those too, I just don't use 'em cause they're bulkier. if the 3M ones arent too big i might be into that, cause the mild smoke smell kinda sucks in wildfire season

Nire Bryce

so fogged glasses aren't nec. a bad seal, insofar as inhaling causes the mask to seal better against the face, and exhales are positive pressure.

it's not better than a passive seal, I just don't want ppl to panic if they can't find any that "seal"

Michaela Sue

Here's Mask Nerd on fogging and fit: https://youtu.be/L3TBGDb6SnA

fictive

yeah u are right about that. i write from the experience of the window between "glasses are fogging but active seal still happens" and "active seal isnt happening" always felt very slim to me. but i can edit if thats not universal

Panic! At The Opticon!

really been rocking the flomask for over a year now and i cannot go back to big beefy p100 boys. really only fit for wildfires- the caveat here is i know one person (out of many users) who does not fit the flomask.

it rocks though, super robust, and imho not that hard to fit test either. they literally make one for kids, its a no brainer

ive put it through its paces: eating, gdc, drinking coffees etc in public, you name it. the worst part is having to clean it once in a while and being mindful of moisture levels (same as p100 elastos, just jam some napkins in there, dump the napkins and call it good)

also, they offer higher grade filters which I use, they've held up even in giant raves full of 3400+ PPM co2 levels. my whole house rocks em, they're very good

not a fan that they use polyurethane foams (sort of now known to break down under heat / humidity, see: CPAP machine crisis atm) but those are optional (probably fine for an Event, a show etc but id ditch after 72hrs of active use personally)

unless your face shape cannot fit them- I highly recommend this. it also doesn't have the weird sweaty-mask-line problem envos did for me. they're cheap- and their design is so foolproof that even if you couldnt find filters for it anymore, you could 3d print replacement parts + find n95 material to slap in there. It's such a SMART design of Faceplate, Faceplate Part 2 with Rubber that sandwiches between them, it was literally a winner of a contest to make a next-gen mask for the govt

the best part is people can understand you good and no one is offput or intimidated by it. absurd protection with few trade offs, love 'em, hoping one day you can just find them in stores.

downsides: not in europe (YET, they're working on it, im having to ship one to my friend in prep for GDC)

Panic! At The Opticon!

oh, one more thing:

when i eat, drink, etc, i just hold my breath / exhale into the mask once i put it back on. it helps with the seal + purges any particles that might've snuck in that brief period.

it works great, lets me be 'normal' and do all my usual life stuff without worry. ive REALLY put these fuckers through their paces (sans plane, but nickelpin has done that extensively + global travel to concerts, raves, museums and more)

plus you can get them via amazon now (ew) but it's like practically overnight shipping so in a pinch you can get them sent to a locker or whatever.

honestly, now and then i top off on pro filters in a box, maybe some extra head straps and i'm good. they even have the halo style strap found on many 3m elastos.

I have heard great things from a friends experience with the kid mask for their kiddo going to conventions. apparently it kept them from licking everything too PLUS they apparently LOVED wearing it?? made them feel like an astronaut or whatever. amazing.

fictive

ooooooo ty for the flomask infodump!!!! i did not even know they had like different filter types, i have the envomask so i dont rly know anything about it. i have a friend with one and i think i didnt like the feel or fit or something on my face as much as the envo (i kinda dont remember tbh). but i am curious about giving it a second look

Panic! At The Opticon!

the big turn off coming from a 'heavier' mask is it does not keep on your face with tension (that's part of it) but moreso pressure/humidity difference

you gotta give it like, a minute solid before it feels intuitive. once you learn though it's simple, and i check the pressurization by going puff-phew-puff in a mirror and see the filter bounce front-to-back

Michaela Sue

I am a huge flomask fan! And for sure when I first got one it took a bit of fiddling to find the right spot on my face for it to fit right, but once I got that figured out they've been fantastic.

Dornath

I similarly cannot recommend these enough. I teach, and have yet to get COVID afaik, in no small part due to this mask.

the continuously transgendering hy libre!

Thanks! I have some follow-ups, if you don't mind.

  1. How hard is cleaning? I work foodservice, and the main reason I use disposable N95s instead of a Flomask right now is because I'm worried it will be a hassle to clean sauce off it every day.

  2. You mentioned heat / moisture being an "optional" problem-- is constant exposure to heat (e.g. working in front of an oven) enough of a reason to use a different kind of mask?

Panic! At The Opticon!

for #1 not hard at all, unless you get sauce on the filters. the front face plate is easy to wipe down

for #2 - this is only regarding the optional polyurethane foam insert which holds moisture but is hard to dry later. personally, i’ve stopped using it and when i have buildup i just stuff a few napkins in to absorb moisture then throw them away.

Geight

I've been an envomask user for almost two years now and I swear by em but I never got the desiccant thing to work. Tried two different packet sizes, but it's just untenable if you need to speak at all, which I do because I work in food service. I've just learned to accept the humidity as an indicator that it's working as intended.

fictive

ooooo yeah that makes sense. the desiccant packet is i think a lot more viable with the p100 respirators than the n95 ones cause the p100s are bigger and have a much deeper trench at the bottom of them than the envomask does so u can fit a thing there without it gettin in the way of yr mouth

ela

If you wanna try a p100 that transmits your voice better (without a diaphragm) check out the GVS Elipse with source control. It's not the comfiest, but I wear it for medical appointments so I can hopefully be heard more easily.

This video compares speech intelligibility with a bunch of different masks, which I found helpful (although I imagine the effect might be different for people like me with higher pitched voices than him): https://youtu.be/KgPs2aoKZbk

Caoimhe

Is there anything like Flomask available in the EU?

Keiya the Cyber-Kitty

Staying home: don't have to have shit on my face (big sensory problem for me) and also don't get sick

signal eleven

i have been using the breathe99 b2 mask, another elastomeric ~n95/~n99 mask. it doesn't have niosh certification but it's worked flawlessly for me and it's got a very nice frame, the frame folds and has replaceable strap stuff, etc. Currently they're available from armbrust, which seems to have acquired them.

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ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

hell yeha!!!

(fen)nic hartley

I would say

awooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

In reply to post 4157914:

Huldra

Yah, I'm kinda burning out on PNW culture now, although probably for different reasons. Or maybe all the different degrees of cultural weirdness here are connected, no idea.

alex tax1a

our perspective, which we can propound upon exhaustively, is that it's all connected, and all comes down to deeply-engrained attitudes based in settler colonialism

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Michaela Sue

trinitite would be a very interesting sample to look at!

alex tax1a

well i think we're going to save up a bit and buy the higher-res model later.

In reply to post 3909861:

Tim Chevalier

Sorry to hear that :(

Raymond Neilson

Sorries 💜

In reply to post 3878419:

andi

Es importante

Ransom

Can't believe you'd call me out like this. 😾

Lukaerd

Finally some good news!

Amaya’s Den 🍂

Gato :3c

Sexy Harriet

OAO

Sí OwO

calvallac

Importante!

Jam

miau miau

In reply to post 3755378:

Lucky but with a F

wow! this is gorgeous! love the lighting and the pose 👀💖

In reply to post 3716500:

jeroknite

Gringas should choose not to be like this >.<

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Fel-Temp-Reparatio

There's a small chance I still have a Model M around somewhere. If I manage to find out where it is, I'll let you know.

claire

i have a 1994 lexmark one so there's no need but if it's from the earlier ps/2 era i'd still appreciate it :3

Lapis the Nevrean

tbh yeah this is the way. Give me some Gateway 2000 in a thique steel case with a Pentium MMX and you won't see me again for like a week while I go play all these MS-DOS and Win9x games

Luna=Marisa

Have had a K2000(R) on a wishlist for years. Still want one.

Aurora

what?! no, i would even know what to do with..... okay, maybe i could try playing with it a bit and...... actually that would be cool to have...... umbe, uwu...... okay, yeah, i would love to get these

Lilac

I have the umbreon! also a keyboard but it's too large for me to take anywhere ::<

homestuck brainrot

ok real though i would love to have all of these. also additionally i miss the old cassette/cd players (2-in-1 style) that kinda looked like boomboxes. used to have one of those in my house.

~

why is this so accurate lmao

even the ones I've never heard of are top tier fascinating, let me spend a month tinkering with them lmao

Cen

I'll be more than satisfied just with that SY77

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this plushie shark can fit so many critters in it

🎨💎💿 such a good concept....

Arina Artemis

Aww, glad you like it!

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Nire Bryce

whoa

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Gay Eminem on 9/11

god i fucking hate gmail because they do shit like this but well goddamn done

alex tax1a

i feel like we just shanked god

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Is it Shaker!?

How did you do it??

evan

Holy shit

Ceryl the Pretty

Modern day Sword in the Stone shit goddamn.

silby

My god

Gay Eminem on 9/11

What hell magic did this require

Nire Bryce

were they creepy or wet

alex tax1a

on the creepier side of wet

In reply to post 3484187:

silby

None shall expel us etc

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lily detrick

Okay but Georg Cantor was literally just correct.

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Yes but I don't have to like it

Criminally Vulgar

This has one of the all time great visual proofs imo, so I kind of love it.

In reply to post 3470475:

Michaela Sue

I found it here: https://cohost.org/DecayWTF/post/695146-please-support-my-ne

alex tax1a

ah somehow we missed that

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ash 🌠

you are so correct

christine

I watched a YouTube video yesterday because there was just no other way to get the information and it was something I was really curious about, and it was just like. I don't understand why people do this. This would have taken me four minutes to read at most but instead was twenty god damned minutes long. Really looking forward to going another few years in between ever doing this again.

I just don't get it, man. None of this shit deserves 20 uninterrupted minutes of my time, but somehow pausing and watching in several minute chunks made me feel even more insane. People do this EVERY DAY??? I don't know how anyone does this shit and frankly I don't think I want to. It's so bad!

Misty

Uh huh!! And like the thing is it's not just that people tolerate this, but I keep being assured that young people prefer this. Really? Really??

Kindest Weapon

I think it's more that a lot of young people just do not know alternates exist. Video was thrust upon them as the internet. This shift was 100% corporate people figured out it was easier to inject ads into a video and get more engagement compared to ads on a webpage.

stu

something i've been thinking about here is that they stopped teaching phonics in (US) schools and apparently now far fewer kids read for pleasure because it's a struggle.

if reading is no fun then sure, you'll fall back to video even if its worse

A Jeb With No Name

It took me like four hours to install a Fire Emblem Awakening mod because everyone was just linking videos for what amounted to directory management

Misty

Goddd. Yeah there's so many ways you could do that easier and faster than having a dang video.

JosJuice

As someone who ends up having to help people with these kinds of things, some people really want videos, which I assume is because many younger people don't have a level of familiarity with file systems where they understand what to do with presented with instructions like "open " or "extract the zip file to the root of SD card"... Which is unfortunate, because the random YouTube videos people find tend to become out of date quickly, and that's in the case where the videos don't already contain bad advice to begin with

emily, literal actual sylveon 🏳️‍⚧️ ΘΔ

did they mean "video-forced"? as in forced to watch a video instead of interacting with shit in any reasonable way? because that's the only way that makes even slight sense

Misty

I've been informed "the kids" prefer video. They use tiktok as a search engine. I'm easily into my 30s and don't know any friends' teenage kids well enough to know for myself, so there's a good chance this is at least partly journalists my own age projecting fear of their own irrelevance onto describing ways "the kids" are different

Deadgar64

Yes. Very Yes. I don't think it's true, but I dig where you're going.

Feels like some suit somewhere glanced at tiktok and said: "Those are big numbers there. The whole internet must just be videos! Marv, this is our reality now!" And then the other dude in the room was like "Yes, sir. Of course it is. Very prescient of you, sir".

🤦

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unknown-user
alex tax1a

ah yes, we love being accused of being mentally ill for describing our experiences of racism, you're a true winner

The Pnictogen Wing

do you habitually pretend to be a doctor online?

In reply to post 3433331:

mint

that's incredible and so nerdy I love it

silby

Uh, hot?

evan

this rules

In reply to post 3377992:

Tamry Coyota

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

In reply to post 3377364:

Dragaroth

"Dragon ball GT did nothing wrong" 🙁

Christian Simmers

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

In reply to post 3377000:

lesbiennes sans frontières

postmodern who

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aune

from what i know of her this is incredibly, incredibly on brand

Geight

lol that's very funny

In reply to post 3324902:

walking mirage

fuck christ

alex tax1a

the cores around "not in progress" are only DoS-able. But there are interactions with the Session and Persistence tables that we think could be vulnerable to bytecode injection...

library of squirrel

On the one hand I imagine that is possible somewhere, and on the other, uh… Tcl seems so fragile even in its box I’m fairly convinced it would just shit itself.

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Peek

nice high score

Nycki

okay so apparently this affects something called BIG-IP, can someone tech literate explain what that is?

alex tax1a

BIG-IP devices are hardware load balancers, which large companies use to manage internet traffic coming into their internal network. Breaking into one of these is a hacker's dream because they sit at the borders of networks and process every single bit of traffic going in or out.

They also frequently contain the web server's security keys, passwords for other internal systems, and so on.

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library of squirrel

Oh yeah no it's bad.

Nire Bryce

godspeed

🦊 knot 🦊

same energy https://youtu.be/bT4cKwBROno?t=324

In reply to post 3305003:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Dayum o.o Ok yea this is veeeeeeery much your vibe! :D

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walking mirage

damn these Fuckin' Whip

In reply to post 3235946:

Prophet

:)

In reply to post 3223556:

Nire Bryce

the wankers are dying off but the wankels themselves are making names for themselves in racing because some car boys watched too many machining videos and discovered the secret: not having dogshit factory tolerances.

https://youtube.com/@RobDahm?si=OsgwkQjANXxWDsGY

Is it Shaker!?

the 'dorito full of bees' tag kept rattling in my mind till I had no choice but to go look up videos of this motor jn operation, and yeah! Accurate!

Plum

Sorry to hmm the haha but I keep seeing this and every time I wonder what the hell this particular application is. Like the whole thing is inside a second housing? It's got coolant holes around the normal combustion chamber so presumably it's not a weird huge cooling loop... so what the hell is it?

threnody

"dorito full of bees" gonna be with me for a while

Lupi

none of this is original to me i just brought it to cohost so we could all be aware of it, as is the way with memes and their ways of dissemination

but that's what they are

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walking mirage

i feel like only people who had a "read cory doctorow novels as a teen because they were free" phase are over him now

Daniel Martin

IDK; I've been over him at least since he went on that weird rant about the w3c daring to coordinate video streaming standards among browsers that might include DRM and I'm too old to have read any of his stuff as a teen.

alex tax1a

idk that we were ever into him enough to be over him, dude always registered as blowhard as fuck to us. watching the worst techbro gobshites jack him off constantly is making us irrational.

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Michaela Sue

Ah, a more familiar e-mail look! (I use neomutt)

alex tax1a

i hear there's a way to get Neomutt to interface with notmuch but we've got so much time invested in the emacs interface at this point that we're kinda loath to switch back

Michaela Sue

Yup, once you've got something figured out really got to be motivated to change again. I love emacs as an editor but never did get into any of the other sorts of uses, as much as it always sounded cool.

alex tax1a

the killer app for us was org-mode, but we did steal mutt-like keybindings for both notmuch and dired-mode

Michaela Sue

Huh, I need to look into org-mode, I have lots of plain text notes and that might be just the thing for me

alex tax1a

careful, it'll wreck your brain ;)

like, our emacs config is an org-mode document and we export it to HTML: http://se30.xyz/conf.html

Michaela Sue

I have to say, every time I see a serious emacs user's config file, on the one hand, dang, they really got this figured out, and on the other, you know, really, I'm an analytical biochemist and it's like OK that I'm not quite like that 😅

In reply to post 3175053:

Adam

Crushed, devastated, weeping that the avg link doesn’t go anywhere

corru.works

incredible post. I'm going to save this to my desk top.

In reply to post 3172450:

cat

jfk, probably

Nire Bryce

which one is that. I don't think any of the parties have run one of those since FDR

In reply to post 2730005:

what if a girl liked other girls?

literally am going to walmart today because I need shit :agony:

Kirby “Isaac” Macintosh

Godspeed soldier

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Thank you. Now I have stuck in my head: horn music with a drum loop and an opera singer rapping disses against philosophy. Oh and uhh intermittent bagpipes.

Kirby “Isaac” Macintosh

Don’t forget shouts from a protester of unclear political background!

alex tax1a

this track is our labor day anthem

Amy Dentata

so my brain DOES have this permanently locked away in memory somewhere, just waiting for the right moment to strike

Kirby “Isaac” Macintosh

The Most Unwanted Song is the gift that keeps on giving

Walmart

this is so true….

Kirby “Isaac” Macintosh

Wow Mr. Walmart this is such an honor

asnesbo 🔞

I hate that I knew exactly what this was and heard it in my head at it's accurate volume

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erysdren

need someone to take me out of protected mode for real

alex tax1a

[endless series of page faults]

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Aisling

Okay I know the second one!

Luisf

Could you provide a hint? I am stumped

Just Another Apocryphal Mess

in an alternate universe the Spanish fascists were called the fajitismo

otherwise I have no idea

🥕 Mr. Drugs LXIX

I literally thought "Does this have something to do with San Francisco? Is Rice-a-Roni somehow Mexican?" but that seemed like a dead end

Noel B

I posted the answer here

🥕 Mr. Drugs LXIX

That brutal period of Churroism in Belgium?

Noel B

Ah, no the Churroists operated mostly during the 19th century.

( here is the answer btw)

Caoimhe

Hint for the second one: It involves the name Ignatius.

In reply to post 2289074:

Michaela Sue

Alpha sensor? I hardly know her!

In reply to post 2230358:

your crotchety Aunt Mildred, who thinks she owns the Place

sickos_yes.jpg

In reply to post 2222565:

wray

I'm just curious gosh

In reply to post 2141911:

Ethics

the relationship between whiteness and conflict-avoidance is really something

my words aren't all together rn but there's something in there about how white family dynamics (specifically conflict resoultion skills here) are deeply informed by Protestantism + patriarchy which like- makes the focus more about atonement to authority.

and the reactionary response when a white queer breaks off of that is to swing far to the other side with that "i don't owe anyone anything" mindset that y'all are talking about. Which is effectively just placing themselves at the center of that atonement to authority framework cause they haven't legitimately dismantled that hierarchical mindset

Ethics

Sorry for the tangent, what you're saying got my gears spinning

In reply to post 2122389:

Nire Bryce

found the fed

The Pnictogen Wing

the very idea that anyone is supposed to genuflect for Kevin fucking Mitnick is astonishing to me ~Chara

fictive

FUCK YES FUCK YES

ian

PUT KEVIN BACK (of the lineup)

In reply to post 2105576:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

What is dead is not gone. Simply changed and diffuse.

In reply to post 2102088:

wray

Everything is a record and you're the needle

Shadowed Dreams

that's... not the first time I've seen it suggested that this era will be a new darkage in history, few concrete records, libraries struggling to keep information moved to current media, everything made to have a limited working life. But I very much agree that what we do still means something

In reply to post 2081199:

Vikxin

thankfully not

alex tax1a

maybe it should be

In reply to post 2054710:

cat

if only we had some kind of computing machine to look at all our big matrices of signals! i guess we'll just have to email each other giant tables :-)

In reply to post 2049573:

The Pnictogen Wing

surely there was some awareness at some level of Twitter management that they made their money from chaos and keeping rabble-rousers active?! ~Chara

alex tax1a

yes. that was why they didn't listen to a word we had to say.

Lizardguy

Their side hustle is hypocrisy and they have a major stake in the hate industry.

In reply to post 2049117:

Kwisatz Haterade

This is entirely too accurate.

Being on an internal infra team I also get

Subject: Quick question Body:

Yeah hey I did a thing but nothing happened why not?

OR

Hey I saw a funny little hiccup on your frontend and it either means the network blinked for a second, or you broke the Frooboz Wizbanger, which would be pretty bad because then we'd lose all our money and get sued by German probably, but there's only like a 0.001% chance of that but you might want to look into it thx.

In reply to post 2029309:

Aleph Ren

are you talking about throw-away societies?

alex tax1a

we are talking about how white culture centers around covertly abusing people until you find the set of victims that won't speak up or fight back, and preaches that as the only valid form of community

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SisterTenebrae

Yeah, we got a pretty big collective fucking problem with assuming anyone using the 'right words' over here is the good person on the inside and doing the work, as opposed to using easily abusable tools in an abusive fashion.

alex tax1a

right, the liberal aestheticization of politics is Pretty Fucked Up, making assent to the right values more important than material harm is dogshit

In reply to post 2026270:

clara sparks

alexes what did you do to them. what did you. DO to them

alex tax1a

broke up with him for being transphobic

In reply to post 2022869:

CJ

Canadian urban legend boyfriend

Christian Simmers

Sorry, your evidences and conclusion that the boyfriend was a hoax was very poor and built on ad hoc arguments. Also, he is right there, using his sharpie to draw on your face.

toad

oh thanks he’s been in need of a debunking since i’ve been bunking him so much lately

bat

he goes to another school

Eric Fuchs

Your boyfriend was not peer-reviewed, has a sloppy citational apparatus, and must be dismissed as pseudo-science.

In reply to post 2009969:

Nire Bryce

usually it's "both"

In reply to post 1981627:

loddite

were you a meteor

alex tax1a

no

In reply to post 1976764:

alexis

she exchange on my key til i curve

alex tax1a

she point on my curve and exchange until we both key

In reply to post 1974732:

wray

including the venom sacks!

alex tax1a

especially the venom sacs, those are useful in psychic chemotherapy

In reply to post 1928532:

~

Yeah I’m starting to come around on this worldview tbh. I always thought MLK’s “the white moderate prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” was just a really sharp observation in one situation, not literally the working schema for the majority of US society. But it seems to keep coming up…

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

sharp observations tend to be penetrating. i get some of this same imbalanced hostility from comfortable professionals wrt disability. i am white, everyone who has ever abused me for needing more or being able to do less has been white, and it looks like this! it is everywhere in our culture, anywhere power can be expressed.

alex tax1a

yeah, as it turns out, if you're not the right kind of white person, if you're not easy to get along with and passively compliant in the face of abuse, you get pathologized and marginalized.

~

Yep. Even as someone who’s fairly passive by default, autism means I have a hard limit beyond which I display the hostility of an abused animal, and suddenly nobody wants to be nice to me anymore.

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

"i cant" is the absolute worst thing you can say to a certain type of person, which i feel is probably hugely overlapping with the dynamic youve been talking about. you dont even have to add "and youre shitty for asking" because they will infer it for themselves regardless of whether it is true.

alex tax1a

we have been trying to resolve a conflict between myself and the seattle phone museum clique for over 5 years, and we approached one of the principals of the scene and said something like "are you actually experiencing a real peace there or is it the absence of tension that MLK spoke about" and got back "oh it's very peaceful" in one breath, and then later on "yeah, the people you're talking about are as bad as you say, but i'm not really part of their community, they don't want to hear from me, and what can i do anyway" and we just had to start pulling our hair out and yelling

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The Pnictogen Wing

that mode switching has always freaked me out when it's happened to me, because it's basically impossible to interrogate—if you point it out, you just make it worse. there's some bizarre combination of "I haven't changed at all, it's all you" going on with "the scales have fallen from my eyes like I'm St. Paul seeing The Truth™ for the first time"...I'm quite prepared to believe that you're basically seeing some latent Christian conditioning erupting to the surface all of a sudden, radiating self-righteousness in all directions. and you know what? as a weird semi-Catholic busybody, probably I've done this myself, though I try to be more honest about where my moralism comes from. ~Chara

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fictive

i thought the upside down bird was the silhouette of sonic the hedgehog for a hot minute there ngl

~

Hahahaha I was just about to say this

In reply to post 1800665:

walking mirage

[oozing through your Barrier] hello how's it going.

In reply to post 1790411:

Ongion

Either this doesn't work anymore, or I'm doing this wrong.

alex tax1a

oh fuck they broke it in between posting this and now

In reply to post 1783215:

fictive

and like masks are a sensory nightmare for some peoples' autism. like my friend (who always masks anyway because u gotta stay safe). which is why it'd be great if we coulda handled it so they wouldn't need to today but lol.

we actually rarely get asked why we're still masking but it does happen and we just say "asthma" cause it's true and it's the only explanation i have the energy to give

alex tax1a

yeah like! masks are a sensory nightmare! condoms are a sensory nightmare! i would love to be able to walk around barefaced and dick people down raw, but!

BUT!

WE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL ELECTRONS IN A VACUUM HERE

aune

i'm so fucking angry at all of the pride events around here

PinballsWizard

every time i get "it's endemic now" i reply with "you get how that's worse, right?" and only rarely do they in fact get it

! a creatures !!

i continue to be one of the only people i know outside this household who still masks. i deeply hate it

In reply to post 1783050:

cat

i hate it. a mask is like, the easiest most basic thing. it helps prevent flu and colds too! what's not to like! tired

In reply to post 1782820:

The Pnictogen Wing

it's so manipulative too—it's, like, passive-aggressively fishing for complicity and commiseration for selfishly throwing public-health concerns in the garbage, and if they don't get the commiseration they want, then out comes the litany of angry self-justifications and the accusations of "living in fear" and all the rest of it. ~Chara

In reply to post 1753775:

loddite

i dont have any titles wait no i think i have the title to my car i have one title

In reply to post 1742408:

cat

oof that is a 100% accurate depiction

loddite

i dislike rich people

alex tax1a

okay look, we count as "rich people", we "own" a house here, but we also productively generate human connection and use our resources to meaningfully assist people. we keep money in our pocket and leave $20s at bus stops, go around downtown handing them out, because we are able to do so, and therefore our politics mandates that we do. but these so-called leftists are all up their own ass about abstract goodness and operate solely by clout and vibes, and won't even talk about it.

loddite

oh. can i have some money

alex tax1a

not right now, because we have spent ourselves a little thin over the past couple months especially (manic episodes abound in our circles and when they hit us, we start spending excessively) and we need time to build up a safe operating buffer again.

loddite

i wasnt serious i am curious what magic you pulled to own a house in 2023 though

alex tax1a

as far as the magic itself, we'd done a spell to get a room at MFF maybe the year before? and it kinda got out of hand. we got a hotel off in the outskirts and had a kinda frustrating con because of it, but then after that, all the less-privileged people around us started getting better housing in more core positions, which we found to be an acceptable tradeoff (as you mentioned, we have a long memory — our spells go long too)

another thing is that we kept telling people is that we were going to accidentally buy a house. guitar gf told us "alex, one does not accidentally sign a mortgage" and we told her "watch me", and then stumbled backwards, along with our partner, into doing exactly that.

as we're house-shopping, various things about this one pique our interest, such as the very good electrical wiring, the heat pump, and a particular connector that we've never seen before but can tell by looking at it is part of a radio antenna.

the bit that really clinched it, though, was one of the financial guys coming up with a figure that was a fraction close to to 666, and he said "we can round that up to 667 or down to 665". we interrupt, all "no no no, go ahead and hail satan here, we're fine with that". our partner was like "alex don't be offensive" and we were like "he brought it up!"

the people at the bank were all also asking that question about what kind of magic in various guises: "wait, this is your first offer on this house? and it was accepted? and this is the first house that you seriously put an offer on? all my years and i've never seen that."

non-magical types would insist that this is just random coincidence and there's no way we could have done a spell that had the effect of, against the flow of time, arranging a future wherein us getting this particular house would be a guaranteed event. and then we point out that this house has the previous 1970s generation of intercom system that our grandma's house had a 1980s version of as a kid.

loddite

yeah thats magic alright i live in an apartment in everett and ive just sort of had to accept that ill be renting forever and wont have permanent housing that i can control. whats funny is we are in a regular relatively dense for everett neighborhood close to a lot of shopping centers, but we have no internet. we've been piggybacking off of a public xfinity wifi signal whise range extends to our house since 2019. this means that our internet will randomly go out and we have no recourse since we dont control the access point and just have to wait and see if it will change. this is among other problems with this place and we'd love to move out but we're kind of stuck here since theres no place in driving distance to work that has a two bedroom for this cheap and we can't afford any more. i hear in fiction all magic has a cost. maybe you getting a suspiciously perfect and cool house came about because we got this shitty apartment lmao. if thats the case then your welcome.

fictive

gods i should get some cash when im at the weed store so i can do that i always feel like ive been fucking tricked by plastic when someone asks for some cash and im like i dont have any

Sabella the Gaytur

the only way it could be a more on-the-nose liberalization of Pride is if this White Googler went on to work for Raytheon.

In reply to post 1732746:

loddite

everything okay

alex tax1a

i mean, no, we've been systematically excluded from the bulk of the seattle queer scene because everyone thinks it's frustrating that the people who run the scenes are casually abusive fuckers, but their suggestion and solution is to "just make my own space", meaning we have no space besides that which we create ourselves, and remain an outcast who people refuse to interact with except superficially :)

loddite

i can commiserate, slightly. I'm very sorry you've been dealing with that. I've felt deeply the pain of feeling like I don't belong in places that are ostensibly for me.

In reply to post 1732490:

fictive

i feel like pedestrian-friendly infrastructure is one of those things where we directly feel the effects of it towards this cause the amount of ppl we talk to and events we learn about from just walking around is staggering!!!!!! all stuff we would just be completely cut off from if we were like. in a vehicle all the time instead

Vikxin

I'm not gonna lie, I often worry that the furthest extent of my leftist action is just ranting online and commiserating. That's not praxis, and I know it's not, but I generally don't have the energy to do much more. I usually don't even know where to begin.

This might be orthogonal to the point you're trying to make though.

! a creatures !!

this exact question is why we've generally disengaged from discourse and tried to focus on actually bettering our own life in service of improving our ability to materially improve the lives of others

In reply to post 1730233:

Agape

Aside from the Fight Club reference, another place where the dismantling of everyone's worth, to assert that they are inherently bad and therefore not worthy of any grace is found in cult indoctrination: Essentially saying that only by joining the cult can you find meaning and value, because you are inherently a piece of shit.

The clearest place we see this cult indoctrination is in Christianity's Pauline epistle to the Romans, Chapter 3:

"20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

A perfect example of this phenomenon, making it very clear just how inherently toxic Christianity (especially Pauline Christianity) is.

Irenes (many)

for SURE

Val Packett

This kinda just reminded me of the descriptions I've heard of toxic trans groups

Irenes (many)

yeah the thing about these attitudes and patterns is it's important to recognize the pattern as its own thing, on its own "merits"

and not just recognize the characteristics of the people who are most known for exhibiting the pattern

because it's still really harmful in other contexts than the "expected" one, and it's important to be able to cope with surprises

Philippa Cowderoy

It's rougher in trans groups in one regard (though I'd certainly accept it if a gay man told me toxic masculinity was causing similar problems there): especially because T4T dating is a thing, "everyone has intrinsic worth but while you behave like that nobody should touch you with a bargepole" is very much a thing.

There's a particular ex your description reminds me of: I never heard "everybody does it" verbatim, but there was sure no visible effort to improve when it came to not abusing partners when she felt bad herself. She just did more to hide it where people would either not notice at all or assume that when she talked about what she was doing it was just self-flagellation instead of having actually hurt us.

Nire Bryce

I was thinking about additions to this, got to the end and realized i already did

Irenes (many)

yeah we already talked about it :)

languisher

"how can everybody be special" is such a weird sentence. "how can everyone possibly be unique??????" this feels borderline sociopathic and denies the reality that if you want to find Your Doppelganger you are almost certainly not going to. much of these people probably wouldn't say this about dogs.

Irenes (many)

heh, yeah.

In reply to post 1725952:

fliss

YOU-

graham

:host-evil:

halcyon weeks

I'm speechless.

graham

:host-joy:

~

sigh

graham

:host-plead:

Goth Ponygirl Runa

Perfect setup! Well executed pun! 10/10

graham

:host-love:

unknown-user
halcyon weeks

i can't believe i'm seeing this visichost again

graham

:host-evil:

In reply to post 1725531:

wlfgxrl

yeag i dont like how insular it is. i can't find anything good and i just see the same posts reblogged over and over. give me a popular tag at least, like if you're gonna copy tumblrs ui at least take the good parts

X

yeah increasingly i'm finding it's just a handful of big cliques based around who got here early it was largely friends of the developers first and grew from there.

alex tax1a

this was sorta one of the many things we were getting at w/r/t our thing about how this site is going to have predictable problems stemming from that premise. turns out, making a system by and for "people that look and act mostly like me" generally doesn't pan out great, even if it's done as a co-op of nominal leftists

fictive

yeah im pretty sure ppl found us just because we happened to help with a small part of the GBA emulator with a GIF for the screen feed that made the rounds even tho we didnt use this website until like half a year after that lol. its kinda cool tho cause we've met a ton of ppl from here that we didnt kno before we came here and that were not in our usual social circles but probs just luck i guess lol (and tag-searching cause we do that)

fictive

meeting ppl is not like unique to this website or anything tho like we also meet pplz on mastodon and thats neat u just kinda meet ppl wherever u happen to be talking to ppl i guess

anywayz it is like easier to write here than other places cause theres a good UI for post writing for us (which rly means: there is not rly much of a UI but it meanz nothing is gettin in the way and the texbox is big). but like RD had a way easier time finding the pony arts on tumblr just loggin on there for the first time recently.

itz still easier to find ppl who want to be found on here than mastodon tho....... xD xD

fictive

but yeah the bit where u cannot hide all reblogs from yr feed when u want to and the bit where reblogs get duplicated are both reasons we only follow like a rly small handful of accounts and just kinda occasionally peak in at other ppls' stuff from time to time. and also why we very rarely reblog anything

Sabella the Gaytur

it really should be where if all you're doing is rebugging the same post as everyone else, it just gets bumped to the top of your feed and there's a list of the people you follow that have already done so.

In reply to post 1723375:

Luisf

that fucking sucks. But hey, civility obsessed "centrists" and "allies" gonna defend that shit

In reply to post 1723368:

clara sparks

the fuck >:o

alex tax1a

typical behavior :)

In reply to post 1722043:

loddite

could you go into detail about how assuming people dont use safari is gringo tech thank you

alex tax1a

oh sure! copy/pasting from somewhere else, we just said:

it is the native web browser on macos the thing that is integrated into the infrastructure of the platform but it is expected, especially if you have a desktop fucking mac, that you will be using chrome or firefox or a chrome-or-firefox-based browser yet, weirdly, safari garners this bizarre disrespect!

upon which they were enlightened:

"it is expected by" gestures to several communities that are traditionally very whitebro

but yeah, weird how straight up every time we have a problem with a website in safari, the response is "i don't care about making it work for you, switch to chrome", huh?

alex tax1a

also like, we mentioned how web app frameworks implement a shadow interface to the actual underlying OS widgets, but that interface is fake and at best appropriates the default behavior of the widget, and does not respect any of the environmental customizations that the full platform offers. if that helps make the metaphor land.

loddite

i dont know, i feel like its not unreasonable for a small dev team with not a lot of resources to devote more time to browsers and systems that are widely used over ones that arent i know more people that use desktop linux than use desktop macs actually i dont think ive known anyone who uses desktop macs since i was in high school i dont feel like its especially white to not devote resources to something little-used when you only have so many resources to spare and a large part of the macOS userbase uses chrome anyway. it is white to be disrespectful about it though

edit: apparently macs have a third market share so im an idiot nevermind

alex tax1a

thats kinda what we mean, the expectation and widespread understanding that the native browser on desktop mac is little-used and doesn't matter because everyone who matters uses chrome is in fact white people shit

loddite

im genuinely curious what about macOS/safari appeals to you

alex tax1a

it is literally the only browser on this platform that respects my goddamn DefaultKeyBindings.dict correctly

we are plural, not an entire SRE org, and we think linux sucks for MANY reasons (many of which are related to us being at odds with white-people engineering culture), so we run macos, openbsd, and freebsd at home, because it gives us orders of magnitude fewer headaches than dealing with linux, which we reserve for our actual dayjob work.

alex tax1a

another anecdote that should be illustrative of our approach:

we back up our freebsd machine to a tape drive. we can look at the history in the source code and trace the lineage of our tape drivers and the userland commands all the way back to individual gays in the 70s who were dealing with SCSI tapes on fucking vaxes.

we have used the linux tape drive stack in past lives, and it feels like a cheap plastic imitation formed by looking at what the BSD stuff did but without any of the historical background — tapes were not common things on i386 PCs like they were in older unix systems, and so the toolchain and drivers generally are less robust

they're both, at the end of the day, products of a white supremacist system, but linux is a scenario where the loudest dude with the least amount of grasp of the prior art visibly (to us) dominates, and well what's more gringo-tech than that?

loddite

ive got to be honest this is so far out of my wheelhouse i wouldnt know where to start i just use a computer and sometimes i can get it to do a thing i want that other people dont know about i dont bother with that stuff because nothing i do is worth preserving and i have no application for it. you have a long memory.

alex tax1a

we have been running our own email server, DNS, and web hosting, in some capacity, since we were 15. we are currently 36.

we don't quite have every email we've ever transacted since then, but we do have 288,385 of them. and we very simply are not white. people, even people of color, make the assumption that we are, based on our light skin color, but this is a fundamentally inescapable difference between myself and the vast majority of people who are not myself, and it always leaves us in exactly this sort of situation eventually.

In reply to post 1721742:

наб

on my laptop the twitter post editor accepted pasting in images by including the image directly in the edit box(!?), and god forbid you pasted text, or ever backspaced :) idk why, even, since that was on modern firefox

alex tax1a

we even filed a bug with a minimal repro case internally at twitter and they just went "huh weird closes with no fix"

wray

It's called safari bc you're posting from the heart of darkness

alex tax1a

i do not understand this

wray

I also don't understand it. I was reading about the heart of darkness recently and also thinking about how it's set in a jungle, which is related to safaris tangentially.

Sometimes I'm not fast enough with slapping impulse's hands away from the controls.

In reply to post 1717637:

loddite

why are you so fucking cool

alex tax1a

this is possibly the least cool thing we could think of doing

In reply to post 1716205:

(fen)nic hartley

the audacity would be impressive if it wasn't depressing

alex tax1a

truly, it is breathtaking

In reply to post 1705675:

noah

I too hate that tags are stripped from shares.

Brett

Okay I feel better that I'm not the only person who feels like tagging is useless, despite the fact that I've found literally everyone but people I already knew through them tagging their posts

It makes me feel like I'm somehow using the site correctly and incorrectly at the same time

Connor The Braixen Dreamer

What blew my mind is when i went on the official site update to vent about how as a content creator nor having recommendations or even my site stats showing how many people here click my links (to know if my articles are even gaining traction or not) someone told me the link tracking is deliberately disabled

So they’re more concerned about disabling sites that barely would get hits from this place from tracking users than making unified tags or recommendations or suggested people so as a content creator my shit doesnt hit a brick wall

Very infuriating tbh and it gives me big vidme worries, which eventually imploded on itself and briefly had the far right hijack it before shutting down

Ackart

Agreed in full. The idea of having a list of “popular” tags is also really good IMO - something, anything to indicate where the action is.

~

broadly agree. also: if every post in a share chain uses the same tag, that chain actually will show up in that tag. this is of course extremely unlikely since the tags are automatically stripped.

spitfire

"photos"? "photo"? "photography"? "digital photos"? some of these may have been used once, ever, but you have no way of knowing unless you open a new tab

not really a solution, but afaik the tag suggestions that appear as you type are ordered by frequency. i don't think it's officially documented anywhere? but it's definitely A Thing

X

news to me, because that exact example also happens to include a duplicate entry of "photos" for no discernable reason

e: if you type "phot", you will get "photos" at the top, a second entry, then another "photos" entry as the third one, and it is not immediately clear to me why this is

spitfire

odd, that does not seem to be the case for me screenshot

X

interesting. hallucation on my end, i suppose. i may have been including the fully typed out tag in the list. oops

e: i will say that if it indeed sorted by usage, this is not at any level clear

spitfire

hmm okay at second glance, there's definitely something weird going on. it seems to sort them by usage to some degree? i tested the completions for "spac", by browsing the /rc/tagged/ pages and changing the skipPosts parameter until no more posts were visible. screenshot space -- 590
Empty Spaces -- 956
outer space -- 243
SpaceX -- 68
deep space 9 -- 106

so yeah, something's definitely off. i assumed it was just sorted by post count, but that's not accurate. maybe it also counts private/removed posts? or reposts, even though they don't appear on the tag page? perhaps it's more complicated

X

at this point i'd be okay with just saying "inscrutable" and calling it a day

spitfire

the plot thickens. results for "phot":

photography -- 5990 photo -- 910 film photography -- 1700 photos -- 287 digital photography -- 431 screenshot also, the API returns a "similarity" score for each of the suggestions, which i assume takes into account both the usage and the actual similarity of each tag to the input.

even though the numbers i got are probably not very accurate, calculating similarity / nb of posts results in a number that is pretty close to length of input / length of suggestion. not perfect, but closer than i expected. (there's probably some extra math weirdness going on, but whatever)

so i guess it's possible to guesstimate the amount of posts per tag this way. neat!

anyway i'm done now, sorry for filling your comments with nonsense

Yaodema

there's a feature request on the forum thingy about this, that someone else put up. I chimed in to say that tags should always be visible on posts because it both lets you see what the original poster wanted people to see for tags, and lets filtering work correctly for muffles and such. I made a few suggestions.

cue power user types getting upset at me for daring to suggest that this is a problem, and claiming it'd just add clutter.

I got very sick of arguing that shit, and it kept popping up in my email every time someone chimed in -- and it was basically only those two dudes for a long time. hate it. can't even tell if the staff looked at that or have any plans to ever make tags visible on reposts, despite it being a much easier thing to implement than asks.

In reply to post 1704886:

Tim Chevalier

One of the reasons I like bathhouses (I mean, besides the fucking) is that the norm is to either make intense eye contact or completely avoid it, and there's really no in-between.

alex tax1a

we certainly have to have shown you The Autistic Trans Fucker's Guide to Gay Bathhouse Etiquette, right?

Tim Chevalier

I don't think I've seen this!! I certainly would have benefited from it in 2017.

alex tax1a

it started off as a goddamn joke, we were like "things we ought to write but will never get around to doing: the autistic trans fucker's guide to gay bathhouse etiquette" and then it became a bullet point in our editor, and then its own separate file, and then at the end of two weeks it was 95% of what you see today.

Tim Chevalier

Read it, good resource! I figured out most of the etiquette stuff by reasoning from first principles: like "ok, if that guy isn't walking away, the simplest possible explanation is that he's not actively uninterested, and so on." Which maybe is just obvious to neurotypicals and doesn't require a lot of thought, idk. For the rest of it I just watched people and figured I could more or less do what they did. I've almost always gone alone, and at first I worried about having to go into decidedly un-horny educator mode if someone noticed I didn't have a cock, but then I realized that a lot of the time it was never an issue and for the rest of it, the non-verbal nature of it (which I love) means people almost always walk away if they're not interested, rather than asking annoying questions.

For the most part, it turned out guys in gay bathhouses are way more interested in vagina than I assumed they would be. Almost like people are attracted to people and not to the idea of isolated genitals in a vat. In fact, I'm almost wondering if I'm going to get less action with no vagina than I did before. Cocks are a dime a dozen. Then again, tops aren't.

Tim Chevalier

BT dubs, Eros has only ever been "run" by trans men in the sense that a lot of trans men worked there, to the best of my knowledge. The guy who owns it is cis and is a chaser (specifically a chaser of trans men, AFAIK, which I say since the word "chaser" usually doesn't get used that way). My feelings about that are complicated, but mostly I'm glad there's a place I can go as a trans man to suck and fuck and know that I'm not going to get kicked out for being a trans man. (Not once have I been hassled for being trans at any of somewhere between 10 to 20 gay male sex establishments I've been to, but I couldn't have predicted that when I started going.)

Also, Eros moved to a new location at some point after 2020 (time is a blur); unfortunately the new one is much less well-appointed. Even at the old location it was hit-or-miss, but I miss the days when at least sometimes, I could show up and get fucked by 5 guys in a row. It's a busy night if there's 5 guys in the entire place now.

(This is not me trying to get you to update the document, just in case you're curious.)

alex tax1a

ah, yeah, that was the general sense in which we meant "run"; we weren't certain about the ownership.

we have similar feelings about the Seattle Steamworks making a trans/genderfuck night. but also the seattle steamworks has been trending towards duller ever since the steam room broke.

the document catches updates occasionally, we'll keep alla this in mind :)

Tim Chevalier

The Berkeley Steamworks also has a trans/genderfuck night. I don't really have any philosophical problems with it, but I've been disappointed the couple times I've gone, because I got markedly less action than on regular nights, and because there's also generally a lot more talking and less sleaze.

alex tax1a

ah, yeah, we had to tell one of the girls at the trans night one time "please do not shout my name from across the venue". so it goes.

Tim Chevalier

Hahaha. My issue was more to do with not getting enough attention because in that context I was just some other schlubby guy and not a young genderqueer twink. But so it goes.

In reply to post 1699656:

aune

It is quite cool seeing people jump to "40k a year is where we start the guillotine" and be like uhhhhh what now

lani

:yeah:

Metroplex System

A lot of white leftists lionize poverty and think the operational definition of class in the marxist sense is just wage amounts (it's not, its a value neutral observation about ones relationship with the means of production).

On top of that they have a tendency to pedestalize the "good" (in this case people making under 40K) and see "the bad" (people making over 40K in this case) as somehow stained with a kind of original sin.

It's all just white western cultural Christianity where virtue is seen as a direct function of relative powerlessness and purity of moral posturing is seen as a greater priority then material action.

It's so fucking infuriating.

alex tax1a

thank you for explicating this. we can see it but can't quite put it into words this way.

In reply to post 1698112:

alex tax1a

holy shit tim thank you for this, it covers and amplifies so many of our own feelings that we are shaking inside rn

Tim Chevalier

💗

alex tax1a

ok now that we're calmed down a bit, holy god that bit about gendered feedback: we got all of those, in basically that order, recursively and repetitively, from Twitter at large, and a bunch of twitter people in the moment, and we just — we fuckin' can't with it anymore, y'know? so tired of always having to be the bitch with the problem, but when we get tired of that, the only thing we can do is be a bitch about the problems, and that's the double-bind we're always in with white queer tech culture in specific and white people at large

Tim Chevalier

Yup. It's almost as if there's a handbook or checklist somewhere for that feedback, because I get the same feedback everywhere as long as I stay there long enough to get it (approx. 6 months), and it's always delivered with the condescension that I imagine goes with "social skills" lessons delivered to neurodivergent kids (I was not a kid who ever received those lessons at all, just one who gets punished for non-compliance) -- as if it hasn't occurred to the deliverer that I might ever have thought about this before.

And it's not just me. And not just me and you.

And there's no escape because white people control all the resources, and specifically the subset of white people who have a really strong emotional investment in white supremacy culture, because that's why they have the resources in the first place.

And more and more often, groups are diversifying just enough that there's a good trans person they can hold up to say, "why can't you be more like this person? See, we don't hate all trans people, just non-compliant ones like you." Where that person is, perhaps, so exhausted that they have chosen the path of silence, which is interpreted as consent. Silence might be the necessary condition of survival for them; maybe they don't have as many mitigating advantages as I do. I won't judge this person (who is a number of real people I'm thinking about) for their silence. I would judge myself for being silent, because, well, white silence is violence, and I'm white enough for that to apply to me.

And I can't just be a separatist, because where would that leave me? It's like the joke "bisexual separatist" button. How do you separate from a group that you're already both in and not in?

But I'm free-associating. I also want to say that I've found your posts (not just this one) very validating and I'm glad you found this one validating too, in that perverse way where I'm not glad that we have to go through this but at least we might get to have some moments of mutual recognition.

alex tax1a

... and also, separatist movements very easily evolve into supremacist movements, which is why we look askance at white queers who get real into "living on a farm with all my other queer buddies" and "wouldn't it be great if we had a society without any cis people"

like, no, it would be great if we could meaningfully coexist in your spaces without getting run out by your fragility and unwillingness to hold up your end of the fuckin' social stick here, actually

Tim Chevalier

YUP. See my other comment here about the trans social group I was in. That wasn't even out on a farm somewhere, it was in Oakland, but people sure did talk about the idea of moving out to the middle of nowhere (also see: settler colonialism) and bringing all their friends. And not gonna lie, I talked about the same idea when I was, idk, ages 19 to 36. As you said, it wouldn't work. Oh, it would work very well for some people, but for me it would be at best unstable and I wouldn't want to be there because of who it would exclude outright. Get rid of all the cis people, and some other hierarchy emerges.

I am constantly thinking of something that one of my few WOC co-workers (who later left) said a year ago, which was something like: we don't need more nationalism, even if it's nationalism about a lot of little nations; we need an actual multi-cultural society. Not in the DEI-buzzword sense but where inclusion happens even with irreconcilable differences. That seems impossible. But existing under nationalism (whether that's American patriotism, or let's-secede-from-America West-Coast-ism, or homonationalism, etc.) is also impossible if your life isn't single-issue. (cf. Audre Lorde again)

fictive

that there's a good trans person they can hold up to say, "why can't you be more like this person? See, we don't hate all trans people, just non-compliant ones like you." Where that person is, perhaps, so exhausted that they have chosen the path of silence, which is interpreted as consent.

gods, as a gal with chronic fatigue, so often this has been us. i remember when i used to fight. the time when people were actually receptive to it was that weird period when we just came out, when many of the people around us still respected us from our histories together, enough to genuinely consider what we were telling them. enough to take it with the compassion we put in. it's a lot harder when you're seen as an other from the start. people will listen but they won't act.

frequently now we just leave those groups so we aren't even one of the good ones anymore, we just aren't there. so we at least have energy to survive in the groups where we dont have that option

fictive

i guess the other part is that we felt like we were already risking losing everyone and that decision was hard-made for us. so might as well do some good while we were at it. and the overlap between people we socialized with and people we depended on to live was much smaller. and the disability hadn't made itself known to us in such a prominent way yet. taking the risk of losing large parts of our social structures is a much harder decision to make these days.

Tim Chevalier

Right, this is another complication. I'm disabled as well, but have always been able to hold down a job, even if it's almost always felt precarious and like I'm one bad week away from getting fired for low performance. I guess it's an example of how the things you're most anxious about tend not to happen: the one time I've been fired, it was at least on paper not for anything to do with performance, but for hurting white male feelings. (Actually, on paper it was probably both, but they don't show you the paper, even if you get a lawyer involved; they tell you on the phone so that they don't have to be accountable.)

Most of the time I've felt like I can fight because I've felt confident that I can find another job. And that confidence has always been borne out so far; I happened to stumble into a niche in tech early on that makes me look good on paper to recruiters, even if it doesn't protect me from getting managed out once I've actually gotten the job. Or, with social groups, I've felt like I don't depend on the group to survive because there's always my friends who live in the computer. I don't feel dependent. This is a privilege I have, but I've paid a high cost in more than one way for switching jobs and switching groups many times.

Tim Chevalier

I'm thinking about when people listen and when they don't, and how sometimes I wonder if people would listen to me more if I had just never transitioned (in some alternate universe where I didn't experience sex or gender dysphoria, but was otherwise basically the same person, that is.) White Woman Energy(tm) can get some people pretty far, and there's an amount of self-satisfaction men get from Listening to Women(tm) that they don't get from listening to weird men. Then again, you pointed out "people will listen but they won't act" and that self-satisfaction often doesn't translate to acting. It's like when people say "I learned a lot from your writing." Okay, great, but what are you going to do now that you've learned?

I've also had some times when I tried to stop fighting: once when I got a job at Google, where I thought I was just going to try to be head-down with project work and not make waves, which worked until the November 2016 election and then no longer felt morally tenable (with the result that they fired me for "discriminating against white men"); and then not too long after that when I tried changing careers and worked at two different health care jobs. The first job actually worked out for me. I felt fine about being a cog in that particular system. We were part of a larger system that was fucked, but my role wasn't to challenge it; I had no leverage for challenging it. But it didn't pay enough for me to live on. The second job was no different from the tech jobs I've had: they tell you that they want to listen, but then punish you for telling them what they don't want to hear. I went back to tech.

Anyway, I'm risking comparing my experiences to yours here when we don't have shared context aside from your comments, but this is what your comment brings to mind for me.

Tim Chevalier

I am talking here mostly about my job(s), and the concreteness of talking about tech culture and the tech industry (which is about something more than just top-down corporate culture; "queer furries run half the Internet" is only sort of a joke, and you have look at queer poly sexual networks and, probably, also the kinds of cis gay male sex parties that certain venture capitalists go to if you really want to understand how power flows in the industry) is useful. But "groups" isn't just that. I was in a mostly-white trans social group in the Bay Area for a while, whose group cohesion mechanisms activated to expel me when I raised Concerns about the role of a particular serial sexual abuser in the group. It's hard for me to say what direct role my positionality played in that. Maybe none at all. But "rally around the sexual abusers, as long as they're white, charismatic and cute" is a facet of white supremacy culture. And much later, I found out that some of the small number of people of color in the group never felt really welcome.

Tim Chevalier

I'm also probably not talking about trauma enough here, and not talking about neurodivergence at all except as it relates to trauma.

If people tend to approach groups as substitute families, that has consequences for those of us who have no positive associations with families. If you grew up getting told "don't tell anyone about what happens in this house" (as I did), and you never fully examined that message, and you are thus doomed to re-enact it, you are going to have a very Particular approach to group cohesion and group loyalty. If you have examined that message just enough to know you want to tell everyone about what happens in this house, then you're going to have a rough time in it.

Tim Chevalier

While I'm writing down thoughts in the hopes that they stop rattling around my head and DoSing me from thinking or doing other things: I actually think everybody shares this experience to some extent, because everybody has to disavow parts of themselves to fit into white supremacy culture. Including white supremacists. (There are some very funny stories about people who have been kicked out of literal white supremacist groups for either being not white supremacist enough, or being too committed to white supremacy.) But some people have a much easier time repressing it, and then those of us who can't repress it pay for their repression. So "everybody feels this way sometimes" doesn't imply "we are all in the same material position", as much as that line gets used to de-escalate protest from trans people, neurodivergent people, etc.

In reply to post 1697924:

! a creatures !!

well you can't just say "hm, feeling kinda racist about you :/"

alex tax1a

oh they sure could say it to older white guys doing a racism :) love too wear white dreads and call out men on racism — visibly using antiracism as a weapon is super cool

In reply to post 1697599:

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

No yea, I didn't -immediately- come to the "bay culture" conclusion, but I'm definitely getting sniffs of it, and I hate how much that checks

In reply to post 1696061:

vaporware

im curious, what are the predictable problems? the not sustainable financial stuff?

alex tax1a

even if it were financially sustainable, the culture developed here will eventually calcify into that of a little club with "whites only" as an unspoken rule. we know this because we are white passing, but not white, and every single clique around here freezes us out when it becomes clear that we aren't going to tolerate being treated like another white trans queer.

vaporware

damn ya it seems like im pretty blind to it, probs cause of being another white trans queer. thanks for the insights! gonna be thinking about this for a bit probs.

alex tax1a

in the furry scene there's a few artists these wonderful looking group pictures based on IRL events and parties, wherein we recognize half of the people's fursonas, and we just know that if we say "oh, that looks like it was fun" to one of them, we'll get back something like "oh! i have no idea why you weren't invited to that, but you really didn't miss anything", because of the sheer number of times we've heard that from the tech queer scene too.

Petra / Isolyne / Zheni / Cora

i'm trying to understand this and maybe learn to shrink my "white person blind spot" a bit? if that makes sense? but i don't think i have enough context - for example i don't know enough about regional culture to understand the seattle/bay area thing.

are you just talking about white users failing to notice and challenge their ingrained biases and thus behaving in discriminatory ways, or is there some aspect of "whiteness" to the culture itself?

in another comment thread you mention that you "aren't going to tolerate being treated like another white trans queer," but i don't understand what kind of treatment that is

alex tax1a

sea/bay culture is violently conflict-avoidant and will discard you the moment you emit a vibe that isn't 100% centered around soothing white feelings.

As far as the rest of this goes, we tend to refer people to https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info —‌ but also, we can lead queers to water, but we can't make them drink.

In reply to post 1695807:

Sherliz Holmes

I'm in a Discord where basically one entire channel is mocking bad mental health posts (mostly from Instagram) and Dopamine Discourse is a regular guest 😝

Velyn

I'm "dopamine fasting" when I forget to take my mirapex xD

In reply to post 1664449:

Noxulous of Fyth

Still so upset people just.. Gave up

alex tax1a

people all like "why do you still care, the mask mandates are dropped that means evereythings okay" and we're like "we have an immunocompromised partner"

aune

Yeah this is why I'm just... not.

In reply to post 1646411:

fictive

gods, conflict-avoidance-as-self-preservation instinct keeps me trying to avoid stirring shit to avoid destroying some position of Having that i feel like ive stumbled into but could just as easily stumble out of if i mess up slightly socially its aaassssssssssss

fictive

fully aware this reinforces norms through absence of fighting them but i dont know where the line is between opsec and just being a lil bitch about things lmfao

Thank you for holding out this long, staff.

Can I just say thank you?

I've been more willing to get up in critters' faces for... a few reasons, but seeing others willing to openly confront is definitely one of them.

alex tax1a

you're welcome, and thank you. we appreciate the work.

In reply to post 1641513:

hail the fish

fuck that looks amazing

alex tax1a

it's a very sensual experience

In reply to post 1590768:

The Pnictogen Wing

there's an air of "you have threatened my faith in myself and isn't that the real crime here" and it's so wearying. ~Chara

Aick

It's all fcksoup with them white gentiles, I swear.

In reply to post 1586157:

alex tax1a

seriously, imagine making the inference that we were somehow suggesting that these politics should also be centrist. lmao.

Noel B

Oh I was making a joke riffing off the previous post, didn't mean to imply you suggested anything like that

I actually think "earth and sky" as a way to look at who cares about taking care of our society and who wants an eject button to mars (where they would presumably get in on the ground floor to be on top of the hierarchy this time) is a clever observation

I also think it maps to certain US protestant ways to look at the world vs a secular, materialist way. (sky and earth respectively, in which "sky" cares more about preserving their immaterial souls for the afterlife and "earth" cares about improving this life, this world)

alex tax1a

oh! thanks, we're just being reflexively defensive against misreadings.

like most queers we have a serious bone to pick with Pie-In-The-Sky-When-I-Die christianity, to the point that we hadn't even thought about the second point until you pointed it out: we'd just taken that as assumed and wouldn't have been able to articulate it on the fly.

Noel B

I understand! Tone is always hard to communicate online

And yeah, christianity is so entrenched in the culture here that sometimes it becomes almost invisible because it's just part of the background when it comes to... most issues.

Your post made me think of how "colonize Mars" dumbasses tend to disregard the damage SpaceX is doing by handwaving it as the "price of progress." Who cares about the suffering caused when the endeavor is so "important". And it reminded me of that specific christian attitude of seeing (earthly) suffering as acceptable and even desirable, if it's in service of "saving" their soul

alex tax1a

one of our favorite goth-industrial albums has a line that goes "Now manifest destiny's a grand thing / Helps me understand things / Helps me when there's nowhere to turn" and we hear it being invoked ironically, in that the narrator can see the system and, when he has no other choice to make, he can look at it through that lens and try to break it — earlier in the album, he sings "But what you can't begin to see / And what you never quite believe / Is that were always fighting / And always trying / To see how we might undermine your needs // You're just a cog / In the time machine / You're just a pawn /You're addicted to greed"

i feel like that fits in here like another piece to a neverending tapestry

In reply to post 1585641:

wray

Didn't know you were an ATLA head. I'm a water bender myself.

alex tax1a

is this a piss joke

Klara's planning ahead

The last of the Terraforming Mars expansions kind of plays with this! One of the parties, the Reds, is simultaneously the communists and dedicated to keeping Mars red (i.e., unterraformed), arguing that this is a vanity project and our resources are better spent solving problems on Earth.

Of course because you (usually) play a profiteering corporation out to gain Mars-terraforming prestige, they're primarily a roadblock to throw in front of your opponents when they're ahead. But all their cards are 100% sincere in their position.

In reply to post 1579090:

Sabella the Gaytur

Scorch has money and clout, of course they did.

In reply to post 1578720:

alex tax1a

thank you for adding this. our family has a buried history of indigenousness, so that's where our focus lies, and we get a bit polemical sometimes.

Average Choster

It's all connected. Solidarity. ✊

Pile Of Garbage

my dad when he was younger was heavily involved in the anti-war/conscription movement here in Australia when the Vietnam war was going on. a lot of his friends were sent to prison because they refused to serve when drafted. they could have claimed conscientious objector status but refused that as well on principal. some of them served up to a full year in prison before conscription was eventually repealed. my dad wasnt old enough to be drafted at the time which annoyed him as he wanted to stand in solidarity with his friends.

Average Choster

I suspect my dad's dad quietly pulled strings to keep him out of the draft. He was a lawyer in the US foreign service, so he had connections. I never met Arthur (aforementioned grandfather), he died a little while before I was born.

Not just draft refusers, though there was a lot of that and it's the right thing to have done, but as I was reading a bit about draft refusal the other day I also discovered histories about front line units who refused to advance, or shoot, unwilling to further participate in what they'd come to see as pointless slaughter.

Pile Of Garbage

i can imagine how circumstance would lead to people accept being drafted, especially in the US where they have the GI bill. i expect that for many poor and disenfranchised communities the GI bill was the only form of social mobility available.

if anything those who joined and then disobeyed command were putting themselves in more danger than those who refused the draft. refusing the draft gets you sentenced in a criminal court whilst disobeying orders gets you sentenced in a military court where you have far fewer rights.

edit: to put it more succinctly, draft refusal is a privilege that not all could afford.

In reply to post 1578667:

The Pnictogen Wing

btw it really does say something about the United States that (a) we have two jingo-patriot holidays in which we're supposed to kiss the boots of soldiers and (b) one of them used to be flippin' Armistice Day ~Chara

clara sparks

and even the troops hate getting their boots kissed by randos. it's just miserable all around

In reply to post 1575778:

Zuki

i'm thoroughly ignorant of the fediverse, but my friends who don't get to be white talk a lot about how they see this kind of content-warning fragility protected in other places. I hope it's cool if I rechost this?

alex tax1a

absolutely, if we didn't want the post to be rechostable we would have used our priv / locked it to shares

In reply to post 1544585:

Violet

that crab is clearly child coded /s

eevee

lmao what this isn't even a dunk??? i think??

wet beast

i was just posting clab

Brett

If it makes you feel any better I don't get the joke either but the fact that it made someone on that server mad is funny in and of itself

Snazzy the Dragon

To be fair, it's not a clab

Simone 🏳️‍⚧️

New OC idea: Robot who can only speak in discord emotes like this

🦀🆒🆑🆎 🐔🅱️🅰️🚾🅱️🅰️🚾

the cat ever

legalize clab???!?!!

X

time for clab

Vera Lycaon

[extremely jeb bush voice] please clab

izz/ott problem

what is a Clab

jeroknite

🦀 ⬅️

Lacey 🐇

⭐🧽 Are you feeling it now Mr. Clab? 🦀

walking mirage

🚨 🚨

In reply to post 1510811:

fictive

damp weed is all the rage

In reply to post 1500650:

amaris meta (the person)

and then you run a small business out of a spare mobo in a cardboard box with three desk fans over it and you start to feel the pressure of their dependance on your magic solutions and worry for their backups, but they just think it's fine as surely you can do this in your sleep right?

so, luckily and unluckily, i can't (yet?) configure a server.

In reply to post 1489830:

mint

Didn't snowcrash have a somewhat problematic age gap relationship at some point

alex tax1a

yep

In reply to post 1489428:

Sabella the Gaytur

certified Apple Moment.

In reply to post 1488616:

wray

That's mean. Because they lack theory of mind, you'll just end up confusing them.

In reply to post 1485895:

Tim Chevalier

I don't know the whole story here, but, of course calling our your former co-workers can be fighting fascism, if your former co-workers are people who enable fascism. Like, how do those clods think we're supposed to fight fascism unless we begin at home, with the people within our sphere of influence?

alex tax1a

they think we're supposed to fight fascism by ignoring it and not being mean to the fascists :)

and we could tell you some stories, you would even believe them.

Tim Chevalier

It’s like some white liberals I used to know in early 2016 who liked to talk about how the most effective way to fight Nazis was to laugh at them.

alex tax1a

white cis woman who quoted The Big Lebowski at us to claim Dorsey's fascism was "just our opinion" thought a cool thing to do would be to demand moderation against us because we were "a bully" at twitter for "posting walls of text"

and at one point we got sarcastic with her, saying "as we all know, a core tenet of antifascist feminism is the notion that marginalized groups gain rights by being nicer to their oppressors" and the point went right over her head

Tim Chevalier

Weird how some people base their entire political ideology on their denial, isn’t it?

alex tax1a

"the tranny is bullying me, the true victim, by posting walls of text about how the company is enabling fascism, MODS"

i seriously just fuckin cant. she also tried to be like "i asked my queer friends if i was being transphobic" and like that's cute have you tried asking us?

or the guy, who, when we were like "hot take: who cares about your opinion on sexism", was like "my hot take is that you're kind of an asshole"

have you tried... not being a transphobe? it's astounding how quickly we stop being an asshole when you stop being a transphobe

In reply to post 1480920:

Noxulous of Fyth

I dont need receipts but i want them, am curious

alex tax1a

we'll update the post with links as we get a chance, it's way late for us rn

In reply to post 1467829:

silby

sry I use entire operating systems what is a “distro”

In reply to post 1454259:

Red Onion Lover

Portable Salamander

Nire Bryce

he

𝚕𝚒𝚕𝚛𝚊𝚠𝚔

portable handheld panini press (advanced users only)

gull *Plus!*

hmm..... looks warm

walking mirage

yeah

jeroknite

The base damage is low, but it makes up for it with high fire damage

Interurban Era

Looks safe. Portable panini press? Electric cattle branding iron? Prop from ill-fated sequel to the famous safety video: "High Five With Danger"?

Michaela Sue

Wow, that's very object! Um, I guess good for...general...burninating?

noah

I have nothing to object to, it looks great

li (occurring)

Hot Labyrinth

GreySleeves

Extreme tennis racquet

mattachine meow machine

steampunk flame wand

FaeWife Era 🔞

I can almost see the Yakuza Heat Action prompt

signal eleven

Brutus' Lead Sprinkler

Unique Ritual Sceptre

Physical Damage: 38-96 (augmented)
Critical Strike Chance: 7.86% (augmented)
Attacks per Second: 1.43 (augmented)
Weapon Range: 11

Requirements:
Level: 28
Str: 51
Int: 51

16% increased Elemental Damage (implicit)

20% increased Physical Damage
Adds 11 to 30 Physical Damage
30% increased Fire Damage
19% increased Attack Speed
31% increased Critical Strike Chance
Adds 4 to 7 Fire Damage to Attacks with this Weapon per 10 Strength

"A sprinkle of liquid encouragement is often required to garnish the perfect confession."

Is it Shaker!?

This would be genuinely useful for shaping thermoform plastic sheet without a big fucking oven

Scribble Sheep

handheld personal heater, for those cold days when you really trust your dexterity.

r4v5

hey thumbs can you tell me what the fuck this is

just-one-bear

I don't know what this is meant for but it looks like it would be useful for activating shrink-wrap around large things like when they wrap up boats for off-season. Or maybe wraps around scaffolding when repairing Things That Weather will Bother.

In reply to post 1453786:

The Pnictogen Wing

"what if everything were the same as every other thing? huh? bet you didn't think about THAT"

Michaela Sue

Oh yeah, but what if my grandma had rocket engines instead of wheels, she wouldn't be a bus then! Check mate!*

cyberdoe unboxing

what if the world was made of pudding

In reply to post 1452178:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Fuckers proudly declaring themselves Nazi sympathizers

alex tax1a

no you see, they insist, they simply object to how impolite and condescending we are, which totally isn't a revealed preference for the company of polite nazis who don't present a challenge to their feelings :)

Sabella the Gaytur

pretty fucking much. any wonder why fascists felt like they had a home on twitter dot com.

In reply to post 1451454:

mitzienscene

listen, the bar is run by a nazi sympathizer, but i'm pretty sure it's going to be less racist than the fediverse, on account of the fomo i feel from not having a bluesky account,

alex tax1a

excuse me he's just on the board, a major financial backer, and invited all of his chud buddies to hang out, on his distributed social network, without blocks or privacy, it's not like he has any involvement in the day-to-day operations, maybe they will crowdsource a solution to the moderation problems, they didn't launch it it's invite only, theres always going to be nazis on the interenet, lets wait and see

The Pnictogen Wing

I feel called out, but to be fair the only reason I wanted to have one of our system there was to make the maximum amount of trouble, and in the last couple of days we've been seriously questioning ourselves about our motivations. like, why encourage this sort of social medium in the first place? why participate in the trivialization of journalism and discourse? being a memorable clown in the circus still means joining the circus. so...guess we may simply toss away our invitation unused. ~Chara

alex tax1a

yes, taking potshots at individual fashies on their home turf is a losing game

The Pnictogen Wing

been reaaalllly trying to sort this out in my head, and I think I have have arrived at the conclusion that I have some specific messages to deliver and Bluesky might be the best place for them. very tentative decision. it's not really a question of playing the game, at this point, but discharging a duty. this gets tediously metaphysical very quickly ~Chara

Lizardguy

The problem with Nazis is they tend to be in popular places.

alex tax1a

yes! which is why it drives us absolutely batshit when a bunch of people who not only watched twitter happen, but helped out with it, shrug and go "oh well! nothing to be done about the nazis on the internet"!

oh yeah, i don't think we mentioned: this entire discourse is coming from the ex-twitter slack

Lizardguy

Hey, I want them gone too. I support censoring Nazi propaganda.

alex tax1a

same hat, same hat.

Lizardguy

Pardon me, but what? Are you somehow saying I am on Twitter and Bluesky? Because no, I am not. I am ready to violently attack their servers honestly, and somehow I feel like you're not.

alex tax1a

what, no, i'm saying we also support censoring nazi propaganda, we both wear that hat

also we were absolutely ready to, while we worked there, violently attack their servers, but we had no solidarity from the other workers and would have gotten fired, sued, and sent to a men's jail to die

In reply to post 1449706:

ian

Truly the most Linux of time

In reply to post 1449696:

gravis again

it's very funny that i clicked on cohost and saw this as rh 7.2 downloaded from archive

ian

Are you going to install that on your new (old) ThinkPad?

gravis again

yes! The OS2 install was so hosed that I just wiped it and put Linux on there last night, and I was actually kind of surprised at how smoothly it went. I mean, by the standards of the time, eg I had to find someone's hand-picked graphics driver, move it over and copy it into the lim directory, and then write mode lines by hand until x stopped crashing, and then I ended up turning the machine off and going to bed when I realized that there was no sound and that that was a new rabbit hole I was going to have to go down. Like, perfect Linux experience for 2001. At least network worked perfectly

In reply to post 1436743:

walking mirage

i want to be able to run windows on chrome, for chaos reasons

In reply to post 1436673:

💤🌵🤖

good news! https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sockets

signal eleven

this is forbidden-by-default right? there's no way it isn't, right? allowing any website to inject arbitrary packets into your local network is a fucking nightmare scenario

edit: oh good it's like a generic platformless thing. i seem to remember there used to be a case where you could create arbitrary tcp connections or some shit in some browsers and they turned it off real fast

In reply to post 1435474:

Luisf

"pinches gringas, todas ellas"

alex tax1a

we play fast and loose with word order and grammar

In reply to post 1431459:

Μάρκος

thank you!!!!!

In reply to post 1430039:

ruby

Haiku

walking mirage

i think that's uh. dreamwidth (???) (TODO: fix conflict with previous analogy)

alex tax1a

there is actually ~~academic research~~ a talk describing how Haiku queers operating systems development, we'll have to dig it up

💤🌵🤖

TempleOS. but also depending on what makes something the cohost of X this may be the thing i build once i get tired of my job and start fucking around

Nire Bryce

imo: windows 95, in the windows XP era.

sirocyl

... I think the first cohost page for an operating system is @styx-os come to think of it? not sure

In reply to post 1427457:

Tenna Lotor

will say that you don’t usually want to nort out hot eat the virus

A happy isomorphism

what?

Irenes (many)

these are among the most sensible words we have ever heard about antivirus software

alex tax1a

oh wow that's some high praise

sirocyl

agreed, surprisingly cogent and parsible too

Vikxin

Ah man I hate it when my software gets norted

In reply to post 1424826:

Balketh

Yeah, it's not rent! They're not supported by legislation fairly and validly protecting them, and they definitely shouldn't also own the place instead of ever renting!

They're like fucking corporations buying up space in my head and (often) filling it with nothing beneficial to me - those thoughts in my head 'rent-free' are there often without my consent, and the thoughts I want or need to have are extremely expensive on my remaining mental energy.

Blow up the oil pipeline of unwanted thoughts in your head, give the mental land back to your brain!

Vecderg

boneless headspace

In reply to post 1422289:

Sabella the Gaytur

these people really looked at the failures of Mastodong and said "hold my beer". as expected from Nazi shitheads, really.

In reply to post 1420372:

Jess🌺

my big theory is they had it for when they were working on it initially and had like 5 guys on it, and then just completely forgot about it

In reply to post 1412949:

noah

Matt Yglesias is a transphobe?

alex tax1a

somewhat notoriously left a media outlet over it

Sabella the Gaytur

you can draw a straight line from "other countries have different safety standards and that's okay" to "transgender people are bad ackshully".

In reply to post 1411759:

loddite

who r u subchosting i dont get it

alex tax1a

cohost.

In reply to post 1397334:

fictive

hi, compiler here. that's not fun at all

alex tax1a

tfw it reduces to the packing problem

sirocyl

you mean to tell me these speculative bundle predictors and cacheflow diagrams are just an AI playing a game of tetris?

(or technically, 'tris', they're triminoes, three instructions a bundle)

FavoritoHJS

truly an itanic moment

In reply to post 1390234:

Max DeVos

i'm always saying this

In reply to post 1383020:

Rhye

Instead we traumatized a generation and taught them that the rich and powerful care more about the make-believe world of profits than the reality of human lives

Average Choster

Pandemic ain't over and we ain't all dead, so we can still choose differently together, but we sure have screwed up so far.

In reply to post 1379583:

johan

honk

In reply to post 1377021:

David Smith

Sorry, we can make it WHAT??

alex tax1a

https://qz.com/708295/yahoos-grand-plan-for-tumblr-was-to-turn-it-into-the-next-generation-pdf

oh sorry it was Yahoo saying that when they bought Tumblr, not AOL saying that when they bought Yahoo

noah

God, being a ceo sounds so lit.

In reply to post 1373107:

\phi

teh tumblr thing is like when you're playing a beaf 'em up and u grab an enemy and use them as a weapon to bash into otter peopl

(teh twitter thing is u giving lots of money to idiots)

~

oh god wait, it's not even "pay us $1000/mo and you'll get Twitter Blue for your employees" it's "pay us $1000/mo for the privilege of paying $50/mo for Twitter Blue for each employee" rofl

who's left that would do this? like I would expect the number one entities lining up for this for a pre-Elon Twitter would be like, NPR, PBS, but uh...no lol those two aren't options rofl

In reply to post 1353369:

library of squirrel

I mean the fucking thing has one job and it's to act like a shitty key-value database but it still doesn't know transactions from its own ass

alex tax1a

not even mcpd! the kernel!

In reply to post 1352575:

cassie

This seems like a much more reasonable and responsible solution to the problem, but it doesn’t pass my “aliasing it to another variable” test

cassie

I should probably change the argval == self.name to check if argval in ("exit", "quit") so that exit/quit aliased to each other still work.

In reply to post 1352452:

@darryl

You weren’t kidding about the crimes

In reply to post 1352204:

cassie

I wonder if you could do some inspect garbage to look at the call stack and see if it was typed directly into the repl on its own

cassie

yes you can

Nire Bryce

oh i just use

os.system(killall -9 ipython) # non-portable

馒头

pain

In reply to post 1349705:

Morgane wears RCGs

fuck.

Lilac

wait, sinkdog was horny? I saw it and i thought sinkdog was cool - maybe i missed the signs?

Zutaca

Yeah sinkdog is objectification fetish art

roy

sorry. i'm invoking death of the author

Hannah

I remember reading this last year and going from mildly unsettled by sinkdog to being like, "ok, yeah, I get it."

Inumo

"Feeling relief inside your feral body" remains one of the best lines I've ever unintentionally written.

In reply to post 1347191:

Elizabeth Lazuli

This is incredible

An Adorable Sergal

This deserves to be on one panel of a triptych. <3

Inumo

One week later I am struck by the urge to have a printed & framed version of this in my home. Any chance you have plans for that?

gummywyrm

i'd have to format it for printing and see if i can set up an online print shop, but yeah, i could do that!

Inumo

<3 If you do, let me know! I figure I can live without it, but it would be a wonderfully baffling addition to my apartment's decor.

! a creatures !!

this super fucking resonates with us tbh. i think about this image a lot

conifer

I ❤️ sinkdog

Video Cathunk

best thing this site made, possibly.

gummywyrm

please save it, if you want to keep it! i'll be posting it again elsewhere, but if you want it, it's yours now. let's all go to the kitchen sink at 3 am together and take a sip.

In reply to post 1343657:

Sanqui 🦉

That's incidentally also how I felt writing writing a Game Boy program that's supposed to keep running after yanking the cartridge.

rotopenguin

hypergolic fuel doesn’t hypergol - FUCK

In reply to post 1341511:

наб

and SysVr4 explicitly has a readable page starting at 0 (as, indeed, does linux with personality(2) MMAP_PAGE_ZERO; this may even be one of the very few remaining flags you can use for their intended purpose post-axing since R4 had ELF)

In reply to post 1338306:

Hana, Local Trans Pat Witch🏳️‍⚧️

Dang it! Now how am i gonna upgrade my tenno schools?

Nire Bryce

you can have it, who needs the thing

rover

lol what focus? nothin to steal here

наб

[enters my passphrase]

наб

no! noooo!!!

In reply to post 1324420:

The Pnictogen Wing

one can always approximate rationality, anyway =p

In reply to post 1324348:

ꙮ tatybara ꙮ

I blame humanity’s desire to stand above nature, “what separates man from animal” and such. The category of human as above the natural world always ends up being a rationale for injustice too (imperialism, animal cruelty, etc)

The Pnictogen Wing

that's an excellent point, although I think it's a little funny--if there's any one trait that's distinctive about humanity it's creativity rather than the mere ability to reason (which other creatures possess), but our "rationalist" culture rather despises creative people, because creativity is about feelings and feelings are inferior, etc.

gawd how has "the West" survived this long? holy heck ~Chara

In reply to post 1311221:

Maynard

go on ...

hillexed

oh this is awful and I love it

Vikxin

I find it difficult to put into words how much this offends me

amaris meta (the person)

so .. what you're saying is ..

.. the donut filling is free?

Aether 🇺🇦🏳️‍⚧️🇵🇸

this is the worst thing ive ever laid my eyes on. thank you

jckarter

happy to help

In reply to post 1281549:

PolyWolf

fantastic story 👏

In reply to post 1278742:

The Arachnixe Entity 🪞🕯️

My orientation excludes this girl's bullshit, I guess.

Tim Chevalier

"orientations are defined by excluding some categories and including others" - Weird, I always thought that orientations were defined by attraction.

alex tax1a

it was qwhite a weird interaction

In reply to post 1277085:

Tim Chevalier

Of course she means the worst kind of racism: racism against white people.

alex tax1a

made the mistake of engaging and got back a spiel about how those bad experiences traumatized her in ways that "won't heal"

ah, gotcha, white fragility

In reply to post 1271161:

alexis

what's funny is this is actually what the Playdate API does! that's the only heap function it gives you, so yeah this has precedent

Vikxin

what about calloc()

Lexie_Plays_Fast
crealloc(void *ptr, size_t count, size_t size);

Alternatively, rework realloc to give the same guarantee of zeroes as calloc does and expand that with object size.

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Quidam

I mean, it's not really possible to tell. Maybe it was a chaser or maybe it was a transmasc person.

alex tax1a

all the trans people we know date off of twitter and grindr, only chasers would make an app called "transgender dating"

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cat

clown car software lifecycle at the circus as a service website

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Shel

You can turn it off in settings

alex tax1a

that requires us to be able to navigate settings long enough to toggle the switch

alex tax1a

it's not the numbers its the color

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🌊

you claim to not be a furry yet you're making some important contributions

muln

im good with animals and critters and beasts

Bezier

this actually reminded me of something I was going to do

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sage

who needs working build scripts when you’re “hardcore” (whatever the hell that means). clown shit.

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Irenes (many)

oh thanks, yes this seems interesting

alex tax1a

a couple tracks off of Armageddon and Light It Up were goth-club staples in albuquerque.

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graham

Coriandest

Colin Childs

Trinidad Maruga Scope

ヌローナイブズ .ex//weis🏴

Y’all got any of that 360 No Soap

philosophy major (derogatory (reclamative))

black market cilantro cut with actual soap

Kit

rather counter-intuitively, killantro is also the name of an insecticidal soap marketed at people with lots of indoor plants

🥢 ionchy 🏳️‍🌈

@yoo

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gull *Plus!*

this is some of the most absolutely twisted shit ive ever read any device trying to pull. "the OS is decieved into thinking it's going to sleep when really its reality is being fundamentally altered such that it becomes someone else entirely" is an incredibly metal way to describe it. i feel permanently tainted after reading this you were right

gravis again

One morning, when Gregor Samsa woke from troubled dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into , linux

gull *Plus!*

do you think the fellas over at Phoenix were giggling "how delightfully kafkaesque this will be" while ~~performing the necessary blood ritual to summon this absolute monstrosity~~ making this

Plum

This chost slaps thank you

Krishean Draconis

gravis this is a magnificent piece of investigation and writing, thank you for this

ruby

This post inflicts permanent Warp. I have no fucking words. Truly the Chost Of All Time.

SArpnt

i like this tech and i'd like to find an excuse to use it

i wonder what cursed things uefi could do, but i've heard a lot of computers don't actually do it properly so idk if that would be useful

Just Another Apocryphal Mess

oh god

Lapis the Nevrean

Hey, uh, perchance do you have the installer or know where to get a flash disk dump for Splashtop? I have an Asus ExpressGate motherboard and I just wanna see it for myself ~~and do Linux Crimes~~

gravis again

The only installers I have are from Lenovo and keyed to a specific model machine. You can actually get them from Lenovos driver site, but I don't know how to unpack them.

I'm certain the actual driver disc for any afflicted board would have it. What's the model?

gravis again

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/utils/ExpressGate_V1462_XPVistaWin7.zip?model=p5q-e here it is for one of the first expressgate models. even if that doesn't work, you should be able to find it on the page for yours! select "windows xp" and then expand the software & utility section

voltagex

Just to note, this is an old InstallShield installer (checked with DetectItEasy)

I threw it into Windows Sandbox and ran setup.exe /s /x /b"c:\test", which will bring up an "Uninstall" dialog but extract an MSI file into c:\test. The MSI can either be run in the sandbox, or extracted with LessMSI

Lapis the Nevrean

I haven't had the mental health to dig deeper but I tried running it on a too-new version of Windows and it's stuck in a not fully installed state. Been meaning to install XP on a spare HDD and try again to see if it gets installed self-contained onto the motherboard and no longer needs the Windows install that provisioned it.

voltagex

It might? Looks like it's a stack of squashfs files. I can't get access to any compatible hardware in Australia but it's an interesting thing for sure.

castle-moat-fishing

"Windows thinks it's taking a nap, but it wakes up as someone else, leaves the house, and commits murders it has no memory of."

wholly molé

Emily the Flareon

As someone with DID this sounds relatable which is terrifying

gender tourist

i.. wh......dear lord have mercy on our souls what in the fuck

Viz

this has the vibe of a bored engineer (or team of) at a stagnant company getting a really interesting problem and just deciding to go full ham on it because it was either that or solitaire.

like. this is astonishingly clever in every sense but also feels like a cousin to those ports of Doom to microwave ovens. just, seeing how far things will go until they break for fun. except they got paid for it.

at least, i hope they had fun making this. the alternative would be a lot more depressing...

gravis again

imagine being in crunch over this product

Chara Dreemurr's Fat, Throbbing T-Dick

"There is a point where we needed to stop and we have clearly passed it but let's keep going and see what happens" energy

oddprophet

I'm not a computer scientist by any means, so I appreciate your putting in layman's terms (inasmuch as it is possible) the scope and scale of the devilry present in this device. I also have immense respect for the hours spent investigating this long-dead evil - maybe one day it will be useful in a different context.

zsulysses

why do i want one

gravis again

if you buy one on ebay i'll send you a disk image

ISO standard fire lizard

hi! what the fuck

ISO standard fire lizard

why would phoenix do this. i mean im glad they did but why

noah

incredible writeup, thank you. some great turns of phrase too—I loved “langolier purgatory”

sapphire

this is incredible investigative work thank you for doing and sharing it. resuming a different OS from S3 is a very clever hack, and im impressed they went to the further effort of a buffered ntfs file system driver.

Random832

What I'd be curious to know is whether that temporary journaling filesystem it uses for the windows filesystems in linux mode knows about / respects locks held by windows programs [via the dwShareMode parameter / the _fsopen CRT function (though all files opened via CRT functions are locked from being deleted/renamed)]. If so, then the 'files change out from under programs' issue is fully mitigated, and it certainly seems to do enough other windows kernel shenanigans that it might take a copy of the list of all active locks.

gravis again

oh, that may be the case - check out the patent linked if you wanna try to confirm this, but there is mentioning that the drivers on both sides implement oplocks. that's probably this

Random832

It sounds like they implemented their own thing rather than relying on conventional OS-level locks - their thing is more conservative in some ways (opening for write locks even if you didn't actually request a lock, probably for the best since your time window for race conditions is stretched out to forever) but could allow a file to be changed while you're in the middle of reading it.

Vyr

thank you for this. still in awe that someone decided it was a good idea to reserve a quarter of physical memory for this lunatic feature on machines that had nowhere near enough to start with. absolutely spectacular commitment to the bit.

especially since the netbooks that ran real actual Linux out of the box were basically fine. i had one from HP as my primary laptop for a year or two.

Gourd

I miss netbooks so much. It's impossible to get a cheap small laptop that isn't even more of a joke than during the netbook boom, and it's my preferred form factor for travel.

sirocyl

halfway through this post: oh my god this is Dahir Insaat Earthquake Bed for Windows

gravis again

please quost with this so i can rebug it

Petra

The first linux I used as any kind of daily driver was an ubuntu install in about 2010 that was somehow contained within a file on the windows system, and could access the windows filesystem at will (though it eventually corrupted itself, or was corrupted by windows). I have never seen its like again despite being fairly sure it was an official canonical product. Since then I've basically considered it a fever-dream and not really thought about it.

This is worse. Thank you so much

gravis again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(software) i had forgotten this existed so thank you for the reminder. woobey

Ian

Not to be confused with Wabi, which lets you run Windows applications inside of Linux, Solaris, or AIX. While the mechanism is entirely different, I think it's humorous that their names are only one letter different from each other.

fluffy

The second version of Linux I ever used was a weird distribution called TransAmeritech which was basically this but Slackware, made to run as an app under Windows 3.1 somehow. I have no idea how it worked and I am frightened by every notion that comes to mind.

My first Linux distribution was Yggdrasil, which ran as a live CD back before that was a common feature and it also used some scary shenanigans to let you transparently treat .gz files as if they were already decompressed. It was very slow.

FavoritoHJS

looked that up and fortunately it's not THAT cursed, "just" using a file in a fat-32 system to store the partition data... so yes it's cursed.

see https://web.archive.org/web/20000619162946/http://www.trans-am.com/index1.htm and http://www.linuxmisc.com/1-linux-setup/f049e8374f15b3bd.htm

fluffy

Huh, I could have sworn it predated fat32. Maybe I'm misremembering and I only first used it in Win'95, not Win3.1. The computer I ran it on definitely started life running Windows 3.11 though.

FavoritoHJS

i don't see any reason why fat16 wouldn't work with this -- it even advertises windows 3.1 compat, aside from adding even more cursedness because clusters.

Ryan

This was also my first Linux and I had mostly forgotten it, thanks for the reminder

Sugar Meowth

This post is fantastic but im also laughing because I use devilspie before streaming to just quickly arrange all my windows exactly. I had no idea it could do wild stuff like that

gravis again

oh hell yeah i'm glad to hear it has Uses other than Kiosk Crap

random-hughes

This thing must have been so hardware dependent that I'd be surprised if it ever worked on more than a handful of machines with a very specific Intel chipset/GPU and a very limited selection of devices onboard. I'd love to see their trick applied on a machine that had a GPU with its own VRAM not directly visible to the BIOS.

In any case, I need to go look at some pictures of kittens to try and forget the horrors I just read. Thanks for that, I hate it.

Birdout: Paradise

im amazed that this is somehow worse than i thought and my gut instinct at exactly the point you mentioned the mystery partition was... well, actually pretty close to what's actually happening but also completely wrong

(I thought it was doing a full suspend to disk on a portion of the hidden partition and then either starting or resuming the other OS. Which is close! But I did not expect they would segment the memory into reserved regions and then flipping them around. Although I did suspect that the linux side was allocated less memory to make starting it faster, since it would have to potentially pull saved memory contents off disk)

rotopenguin

Ditto. Halfway through, I could hear my own brain telling me "SURELY they must be using hibernate. That way Windows knows which ram is worth saving, it gets every bit of important system state on disk and it knows how to reconstitute it." There was NO WAY that they would carve A QUARTER OF THE FUCKING RAM GLFJFKFJDK just in case the Linux personality needed it.

retr0id

I don't get this. It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of two programs accessing the same file. Just because you delayed the write until the main OS was running again doesn't seem to solve anything.

I think the advantage is that at least you can detect conflicts at this point, like the whole "you can't delete this file because it's in use by another program" - some kind of error/warning is probably better than clobbering (maybe it would give you the option to keep a backup of the modified file, in event of conflicts?)

rotopenguin

So the hope-and-prayer would be - the Windows App has a file open, and maybe has a coherent state pushed to its file handle. A Windows minidriver syncs Window's perspective of the file, and prays that the still mounted NTFS structures are also written out well enough for Linux to do a RO-yolo mount. Linux opens maybe a sane file (or maybe not) and writes something new to a union mount. When you go back to windows, a utility tries to move everything from the union's partition over the original files. At this point, the utility slams into god knows how many "this file is already open" locks. The utility either has to bury the user in conflict prompts, or make very dangerous executive decisions on its own.

I don't see a whole lot of good guarantees that Linux opened a sane file, and if you nope out of it wrong (or it autosaves a line noise THESIS.DOC) then you are very likely to have a bad time.

KevinOfComputer

This was really interesting and a good read. Thank you for posting!

wormingdead

Excellent write-up for some really cursed technology

Sil

This is brilliant! Hooking S3 is clever, but buffering writes to the fs and replaying them after is absolutely inspired. I love it! Thanks for writing it up

ꙮ tatybara ꙮ

this chost is a hall of famer

Pyxaron

I kinda want one now, for no good reasons.

Also, i think the initial state the machine was in when you got it is the entire reason why many thought this was a good idea.

Users will absolutely destroy windows with garbage, and make it unusable. So having that alternate option meant that no matter how badly they messed it up, they could still have something that'd work until they got someone to look at it.

I'm curious, would that alternate reality been able to copy files onto USB from the Windows side of things?

sleepiest queer in vol'dun 🦊💤

this is a fucking RIDE

[niss@chitter.xyz] godspeed you! big animal

jesus fucking christ

i was also expecting some sleep-to-disk shit like apparently everyone else was, but this is unhinged

hk

I love this. As a commercial product, it's an unmitigated failure. As a piece of engineering as art, it's only matched by the JBIG2 iMessage exploit. A round of applause to whichever group of Phoenix engineers implemented this in actual reality.

X

two wrongs don't make a right, but what about 40 of them

Winona

This is why you are my favorite poster on this site

Miawgogo

After reading this I now believe that Modern Standby/s0ix is punishment for Phoenix's S3 sins

Kirby703

I own an SSD that is bootable but somehow not readable (even by dd), and this post still gave me nightmares.

Emily the Flareon

The OS has halted itself, and is waiting to be told that it's time to wake up, but OSM instead proceeds to *alter the universe around it*.

This line really made me realize just how fucking incredible this post is, thank you so much

invertigo hayfever

I love this terribly and I cannot put into words why so thank you for doing so for me

acfoltzer

This is such a good post, thank you.

I can't help but imagine a bunch of new-hire CS grads who'd managed to take a good operating systems class thinking about their final assignment to write a preemptive scheduler and then simultaneously all turning to gaze hungrily at ACPI

kaezone

my favourite variety of Tech Thing is when an astounding amount of effort, talent, and cleverness is put into an absolutely vile hack, and dear god this fits perfectly

frogge

i devoured this post, thank you so much this has renewed my love of computers and audacious hacks that we must hide from God

Michaela Sue

Wow, just, wow Also, you really outdid yourself finding something truly obscure and weird and then doing this level of analysis of it!

ouroya

this is the most unbelievably cursed and beautiful software i have ever had the (dis)pleasure of reading about

Irenes (many)

haha, well

when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

[CW food, non-Vegan] ||when all you have is sour cream, everything looks like a potato||

when all you have is VC funding, everything looks like an opportunity

Irenes (many)

alas. no spoiler tags

Irenes (many)

but seriously this is such a good writeup! we were on the edge of our seat (though that was partly the cat's fault). we really enjoyed reading about it. what a terrifying, beautiful hack.

fluffy

I’d be willing to bet that the still-working BBC API is just an RSS feed, which is still alive and working despite the tech press having declared repeatedly that it’s dead. Open standards work, y’all.

kkclue

I just know that "In Conclusion, What The Hell" is going to live rent-free in my brain from now on

that idiot who has bad opinions on things

What is this monstrosity? What did Windows 7 do to deserve this?

NRoach44

I had an old Asus board that had ExpressGate, and even at the time it seemed rather useless, even though it was neat.

Are you planning on uploading the recovery system up to archive.org? It'd be fun to have a bit of a play with something like that, if I could ever get my hands on the hardware (or maybe it'd work with my N250Plus..?)

fictive

that processor is incredibly capable, with a bit of love! i wrote about my vaio vgn-p at https://artemis.sh/2022/01/12/life-at-800mhz.html which uses a much earlier atom; so if you ever feel like breathing life into it with a normal linux install, maybe some of my software recommendations there will help (especially around video playback, you can for sure do 360p h264, and probably 480p).

you should definitely install a 32-bit OS even though your processor is 64-bit capable. the RAM usage difference is astronomic because everyone loves to have lots of pointers in their software.

A cat, a cat, and a cat

I don't understand computers, but I know whatever happened here wasn't right.

oriana

for me the true horror is 2009 linux skype, absolute hell

bkw777

Several Sony Vaio models had a linux-based InstantON feature also. I had a Vaio TZ and a Vaio P that both had it. And hey the Vaio P was 2008 or 2009 and an Atom just like this. jesus-pointing.gif

It was linux but I don't remember seeing anything that said Phoenix or Hyperspace when I poked around in the files.

It was also essentially pointless. It drained the battery faster than either win7 or linux. (The P shipped with Vista but I didn't keep that for long so I can't say how it compared to Vista. I think the TZ was older and probably shipped with XP) Even the Vaio TZ, which had a dvd drive and a dvd player app in the InstanON, so in theory it should make a neat stand-alone dvd player appliance, was not a more convenient media player than just booting the full OS and running a regular media player.

I never could get it to boot anything other than the supplied InstanON kernel and initrd, but I did discover that it wasn't too picky about where those files were. They just needed to reside on an ntfs filesystem (maybe fat32 would work too, I don't remember if I tried that) somewhere on the disk. I had wiped the original windows and recovery partitions, created a new small partition just for the InstanON files, the rest was linux, grub in the mbr, no trace of the original mbr or windows BCD or the rest of Windows, and the InstantON still worked.

M. Neko

Bill Gates killed the netbook with his scheming. Netbooks used a special low-cost version of Windows, BUT if they ever went above a certain, painfully low spec, they'd have to ship with a much more expensive version of the operating system. Ever wonder why EVERY netbook seems to adhere to the same specs, ie 2GB of RAM max and a wimpy Atom processor? That was the reason. The really early netbooks (like my Asus EEE 701) came with Linux, but Microsoft quickly squashed that, too.

Netbooks were a hugely popular format at the onset- who wouldn't want a conveniently small and cheap computer?- but they were left in an evolutionary standstill, and couldn't grow along with the rest of the industry. The reason the netbook had such a short lifespan is because Bill Gates suffocated it in its crib. These days, tablets fill a similar niche, but we'd probably be using netbooks too if not for Gates' interference.

Anyway. Ahem. I bought a Dell Inspiron at an estate sale years ago for five dollars, and the previous owner put Windows 10 on it. It ran like you would expect Windows 10 to run on a netbook with 1GB of RAM, which is to say, abysmally. I've since replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Recalbox, but it STILL runs like dirty dog ass thanks to the damn videos Reek-all Box forces you to watch because the front end starts. You can't turn them off, and apparently they're been upscaled to 4K, because they're 4K-ing slow on this computer. Look, guys. I know you're proud of these videos you keep smashing in my face, but they're not doing ME any good at all. They were mildly annoying on Raspberry Pi but way, way worse on a netbook, since they slow everything down to glacial speeds.

bean ._.

what an excellent writeup about warlock magic that does unholy things

alice

this is incredibly fucked up. reading this was truly the highlight of my day. thank you

Jørgen

Haha, this was a great read. I have to admit at some point I thought this was going to be some coLinux-adjacent shenanigans — I think they ran Linux kernel code through a Windows driver? Though obviously that wouldn’t give you any battery or boot time benefits.

n.s.

world heritage chost

ConcurrentCrab

Damn, they... they store the context of a running os in memory... and then they create a new context for another OS... and then they restore the previous context, resume execution from where the OS last left off, oblivious to what its hardware was doing in the meanwhile... Did they... did they just invent cooperative multitasking on the OS level??? For this stupid corporate laptop gimmick??? "cooperative multibooting"?

Did the people who invented cooperative multitasking feel the same kind of horror we do on hearing this? Did they feel the same amount of shame over what they'd done to the poor programs? Or is human sympathy only reserved for big-shots like OSes?

Aside, can you please put up the installers or whatever files you can dump related to at least the dual resume thing (I don't care much for the specific linux derivative or the NTFS sync (IMO that one should remain forgotten in the recesses of history)) somewhere online, like archive.org? Doesn't matter if there's license stuff as long as all the files are in the installer, I've some practice patching DRMs on those. It could be interesting to see how it works or if it can be adapted into a general solution. (Isn't GRUB under the GPL? Shouldn't they have been required to release sources for any GRUB or GRUB-derived binaries they produced?)

re: something you said in the next post: UEFI can in fact chainload into MBR bootloaders. REFIND can do this and shows entries for any MBR bootloader drives. (Whether it needs CSM mode turned on, I'm not sure about.)

Charlotte

I'd love to have a play with this myself at some point. Would you be able to upload it? Maybe as an ISO (no idea how) or tar.gz?

D

this is an incredible write up of something absolutely bizarre

xylo

I keep revisiting this. just. thank you for this

jce

This reminds me a bit of 'Flipper', a package for the Amstrad PCW that allowed multiple instances of LocoScript (a wordprocessor that ran on the bare metal) or CP/M to be loaded and task-switched between them. It would patch the memory detection code in each OS so they only used the memory allocated to them, and the reboot code so that a three-finger salute would bring up the task switcher rather than reboot the computer. Of course that was far simpler hardware running far simpler operating systems, so it was easier to avoid actions that could lead to things like filesystem corruption.

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nyankat

When should I clear my calendar for approximately?

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Irenes (many)

amazing

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Nire Bryce

yeah

In reply to post 1190127:

Jinti

a-HMMMM ( -)( -)

asnesbo 🔞

Aaaa, she's so pretty 💜 😍

havana syndrome enjoyer

swooning uncontrollably

In reply to post 1183309:

multioculate

The power delivery/data connector that should have been: DB13W3 (power). 30A (three contacts) and 10 pins of data/low-power, 2 retaining screws or clips, waterproof versions available. Approximately the same dimensions as the bottom of a smartphone, which, in a just universe, would simply plug right into it as a docking connector.

In reply to post 1177587:

celaeno

RIP Borges, you would have had a great time on the internet.

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Lain(e/o/a) Taffin Altman § The Connective System

You say “alternate”, but isn’t this just anything RISC?

alex tax1a

Windows API, out of longstanding 16-bitness, says DWORDs are 32-bit, and QWORDs are 64. This AU is designed to give WinAPI hackers a conniption. :)

In reply to post 1154111:

David Smith

"cross product" and "stdin" screwdrivers

alex tax1a

thanks, i hate it

Charlotte the Useless Ghost

maltese and line segment

alex tax1a

no

In reply to post 1152814:

Vikxin

Definitely, yes

In reply to post 1148293:

William D. Jones

This is controversial?

I'm paraphrasing something @whitequark said to me once, but Lisp is:

  1. Variables
  2. Abstraction
  3. Application

(i.e. "lambda calculus with a fresh coat of paint")

And ML is:

  1. Variables
  2. Abstraction
  3. Application
  4. Let-polymorphism

(i.e. "typed lambda calculus"?).

alex tax1a

right, that's the thing, once the program is typed and the syntax is expanded, it's all let, lambda, and cons

noah

A bunch of Clojure folks have moved to OCaml over the years. It's a language I've considered picking up many times. Seems pretty cool.

In reply to post 1145861:

walking mirage

did she switch majors at any point

Vikxin

I expect you will have the only post tagged #Ellen Feiss on this site for quite a while.

In reply to post 1132198:

jeroknite

https://cohost.org/adragonesscalledjo/post/1035601-name-dorothy

In reply to post 1131952:

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

some dead guy idk

eevee

twelfth element on the periodic table

edit: im sorry i just scrolled down two more posts and literally saw a periodic table edit making this joke. i don't know what's happening

Céleste ΘΔ&

just some guy. it'd be cool if he could beatbox

In reply to post 1128702:

Joyces

sometimes the present moment spans decades, it's just how it goes

In reply to post 1128115:

clara sparks

I told you not to decant it into your Klein bottle

fictive

icant find it theres too many julia sets in the way can you like

In reply to post 1118746:

Michaela Sue

Now I wonder what the EPA groundwater limits are for email contamination

In reply to post 1117218:

aune

it's fucking infuriating and i'm going to be honest was a non-zero part of why i got bottom surgery t b h, to disincentivize this from folks who did not deserve my time

FILE NOT FOUND

/tttt/ and its consequences, disaster, etc etc.

In reply to post 1116653:

liffy 💜

this and the way a lot of memes are really rude to bottoms get to me

Nire Bryce

and so many of them are created by bottoms. idgi stop auto-wedging, folks, plsssssss

mitzienscene

sometimes u can tell when someone's using "top and bottom" interchangeably with "male and female" and it pisses me the hell off

In reply to post 1082266:

LandsharkRAWR

i think one of the things that sells me on sinkdog is when they're standing upright but the water falls relative to the angle of the sink

revie

The CW was not able to prepare me for sinkdog

revie

It's like opening the ark of the covenant

Mags!

i fucking love her so much

Sen

This isn’t a complaint, but that CW did nothing to prepare me for what was underneath

Bezier

this is just like. one of the best things i've ever seen. idk how to explain it. thank you sinkdog

In reply to post 1082232:

gay

genuinely one of the greatest pieces of art produced in the internet

jae

big fan of sinkdog smoking weed with patchouli knowledge

hthr "HEY SUBSCRIBE TO MY NEWSLETTER" flwrs

love this one

cidolfas

I read that content warning as "skin-dog" and not "sink-dog" and spent a while deciding if I wanted to click the show post button before I noticed my error.

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&Kalmia

I think theres a lot of "The fascists are going to round us up and shoot us, may as well burn out on my own terms" in this, which.

idk, world failed us all and I'm having a Bad One.

! a creatures !!

World's still here and we're still in it. "Fuck it, self-destruction is a form of control" is a terrible move when the destruction is not, in fact, ensured (it's a terrible move in general, but still.. There's still hope, as much as it may hurt to hold onto it.

&Kalmia

I'm not saying it's a good choice, just that it's very easy to see how people have reached the conclusion. Also I got laid off yesterday and am in a bad mood all around

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Melinoë 🩸

polychronic reads so hard as the way my adhd brain wants to work, and here i am trying to rearrange a google calendar so i keep doing enough stuff to survive 😔

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mitzienscene

that klein bottle looks like you could use it as a really awkward wineglass

alex tax1a

possibly! Cliff does sell Klein Steins, by the by.

In reply to post 1041210:

Ballance

I don't know, it explains a lot

~

Correct labeling. May I leave now?

Christian Simmers

They're made out of meat. They even talk through it.

Not Invented Here

Gross!

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walking mirage

is this cordwainer smith

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noah

and what's kinda scary, further, is tha ti cant even imagine trying to live without time

i think that without clocks, you would end up organizing your day in various ways anyway: morning, midday, evening, night, and then as you do activities regularly, you'd gain a sense of how long things take "in general", and then when you start the task and the sun is low in the sky, you would say to yourself, "well, i think i can finish this before the sun has fully set". And then during the day, you'd say "I can do this task N times before the sun goes down", and that task acts as a period of some kind.

We don't have a good way to measure other sensations, like "how hungry am i?" but we do a pretty good job of getting a rough sense and working on that basis. Am I hungry enough for a snack? a sandwich? If all we ate were meal bars, they would act as a quantifier: "i am hungry enough for 1.5 meal bars". The size of the meal bar doesn't actually matter, just that the size is consistent so you get used to it and can make predictions.

Feels the same as any unit of time we create.

At least, this seems right to me.

Maynard

I don't know, I'm not sure I personally would naturally organize around the sunlight cycle, since even with clocks all over the place I currently don't really naturally organize myself around time. (This could very well be a me thing, though)

but even if you're right that time is natural, the scenario you describe feels different to me from our current relationship with time. A rough split of the day into morning/midday/evening/night feels pretty distinct than minute- and hour-based scheduling (which is fairly dissociated from the daylight cycle)

"Feels the same as any unit of time we create." -- i guess what im getting at is that with a morn/day/eve/night relationship time would feel to me like "just another factor", but with minutes and hours time seems to take on a much more prominent role

noah

i guess what im getting at is that with a morn/day/eve/night relationship time would feel to me like "just another factor", but with minutes and hours time seems to take on a much more prominent role

yeah, I think that's very true

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Gay Eminem on 9/11

lmao that's fantastic

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Caro

THE RUBBER DUCKIE LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTOR HELP

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✾ Aura, a Lady.

ah, if it isn't linear time and probability working together.

alex tax1a

imagine being subject to linear time, couldn't be me

Sabella the Gaytur

lol. lmao.

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Sabella the Gaytur

are those shovel digging sounds I hear.

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! a creatures !!

I'm fucking speechless

alex tax1a

way to make it clear that she never meant a word, she was just saying things to try and get into our pants

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The Pnictogen Wing

there's been plenty of attention given to the Western / Christian nonsense about how disease and sickness are regarded as evidence of sinfulness, but I feel like there's not nearly enough attention paid to the evil pleasures of spreading disease. to infect someone with a disease that doesn't claim yourself must feel like power to the barbarian mind of the West. ~Chara

Sabella the Gaytur

with regard to COVID, or...?

alex tax1a

yep

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walking mirage

ah fuck

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hail the fish

This isn't remotely near the most harmful type of weird community buttinsky guy but this type of guy is imho one of the most annoying. The melodramatic flounce, especially.

I swear there's probably only a handful of guys like this in the whole world and they're just constantly kramering in and flouncing out of every single conversation everyone else is having.

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Noxulous of Fyth

Pleeeease share the whole convo, i gotta know how he mansplained that

alex tax1a

you got it! https://cohost.org/atax1a/post/978249-like-fucking-serious

chaos gf

good news: there’s a .ck TLD and you’re meant to use .co.ck for company registrations

chaos gf

now I’m wondering if there’s .ar.se

update: THERE IS AND IT’S OWNED BY SOME DOMAIN PARKING BULLSHIT

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PolyWolf

czryblyltgblpvyr

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PolyWolf

wow that's messed up! sorry ur having to deal with this

alex tax1a

we are constitutionally incapable of having "normal" problems, everything is like this

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Z

I'll take that and a proper loading screen over randomly pausing to buffer any day.

Birdout: Paradise

brorb

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Aqueous [Lv. D Sluggish Edgegirl]

Heranimum

ace

Radium Girls 2

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наб

:0 with a comedy tooth; real innovation

наб

also lol consolas apparently slashes the 0 the other way to the UI font. agony

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Nire Bryce

"I cannot free()" fits

becca wants you to know that she is very gay

shit. that’s better.

In reply to post 913404:

becca wants you to know that she is very gay

in fairness, the discussion section is actually good, and includes some good & interesting info about the lock's performance properties and behavioral requirements.

David Smith

The weirdest thing about it is that in practice nobody's ever seen waiter starvation with them. In theory it should definitely happen, but when pthread_mutex_t got switched to be unfair too, there wasn't a single peep about. I'm very unclear on why heh.

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Peter Hosey

…we started relying WAY more on thread priorities, and all the locks that can't donate priority (spinlocks, semaphores) suddenly became essentially unusable.

Foundation[1] got so many referrals of perf/hang bugs around this time. Usually because someone chose dispatch_semaphore previously (often years previously), and the knight from “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” had just shown up to inform them “you chose… poorly”. This took the form of a hang in their process in a thread (or sometimes many threads) in dispatch_semaphore_wait, waiting on a thread that was calling out to Foundation (hence sending the bug to us).

The threads that were hung had higher priority than the thread that was being waited on, but they couldn't donate their priority to the latter because semaphores don't know where to donate priority to — the semaphore doesn't know what thread will unblock it until that thread signals it, which happens after whatever work is holding everything up.

After some internal mailing list discussions educated some of us on the importance of treating dispatch_semaphore as if it were a swarm of bees, I came to regard seeing one or more threads hung in dispatch_semaphore_wait as, if not already sufficient grounds to send the bug back, at least a strong smell.

[1]: For anyone reading this who doesn't know: I was the bug screener for Foundation and Core Foundation from 2014 to 2018.

David Smith

"someone chose dispatch_semaphore previously" almost always me, sorry about that 😅

Peter Hosey

Nah. For every hang in one of your components or in other code in Foundation, there were at least four or five elsewhere.

I threw back roughly 80–90% of bugs sent our way generally. You saw the ones I didn't (or that got sent back to me with a more convincing case for it actually being a Foundation bug).

Elizabeth

If you had asked me this question 4 years ago I would’ve given the wrong answer, the right answer as you say of course, is os_unfair_lock and I love it

Greg Parker

One was that we started relying WAY more on thread priorities, and all the locks that can't donate priority (spinlocks, semaphores) suddenly became essentially unusable.

And reader/writer locks. (Can't quickly record all the readers that a waiting writer might need to donate its priority to.) I rebuilt the Objective-C runtime's internal locking around rwlocks, and then they were taken away from me 😢

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✾ Aura, a Lady.

I have a pretty hard lineage in my head of what BeFS meant (e.g., heterogeneous management of data) vs. the rise of the shoebox application and the fall of the filesystem metaphor (all of which I need for everyday professional purposes).

✾ Aura, a Lady.

TL;DR: mixing the filesystem OS facility and the filesystem as a user interaction metaphor means confused the shit out of people so hard that Be's stance would have needed serious thinking to stay tenable, and it died anyway with iPhone Software 1.0.

arborelia

I only casually experimented with BeOS, but I can confirm that its music player was damn good for the time

✾ Aura, a Lady.

I watched so much anime in its VLC port.

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jckarter

My favorite BeOS demo was the one with the spinning cube that you could drag Quicktime movies onto the sides of, that then played on the cube while it rotated. I scrubbed through the video and I might've missed it but it looks like they didn't feature that one.

Rachel Stantz

The cube thing sounds familiar but I think you’re right. They showed off a similar one in this video, where they slapped videos onto the pages of a book Myst-style and then they played even as you turned the pages.

simple-scran

Omg the OS-themed theme song which plays in the beginning is used for the Audio demo as well. This is grand.

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fictive

there's literally not a greater seattle furry polycule though. like it doesn't exist, it's a meme. unless you know something I don't, which I know you to do.

from my perspective there's a lot of small social circles and maybe some bigger ones that I don't know about nor mind not knowing about, and some of those circles overlap, but most of them basically don't afaik.

but i also dont know most people in seattle so maybe im out of touch

alex tax1a

it is not, in fact, a meme, it is an extant system of oppression that people try to dismiss as a memey thing that doesn't exist

fictive

weird

alex tax1a

like, we know it exists because we have been frozen out of it? which is the thing we're describing here?

fictive

i mean yeah i don't question that. i've probably just never even encountered it, cause on the rare occasions you've mentioned names they're people I've never heard about in my life. so basically idk what im talking about, i think.

fictive

"social shutin (me) unaware of social goings-ons, more at 11". i think the reason i commented is because i partially feel like maybe i should know more but idk if that's the case.

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mint

what the FUCK

two

Quite frankly this is what they should be using when toggling italics

cat kouhai*.txt

no,,

PRINCESS INTERNET CAFé

This makes a lot of sense, Italic in Spanish (for example) is called Cursive! So, letters that mimic calligraphy!

PsyMar

Maybe that's the origin of the term, but I think we're past at the point where it now means "slanted" because that's what everyone uses it to mean.

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rbohrer

My Amiga 1000 wants your number

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Tom Forsyth

You're going to run out of tilt room eventually and the text is just going to be _____________. So we're going to need to use the reverse direction and lay the letters the other way. If italics are emphasis, these would be, like, totally de-emphasised, dude. Just like, your opinion man.

Sciman101

I've had this exact thought and I'm so glad someone addressed it

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revie

Actually just better, yeah.

Nire Bryce

this is some strong Tom7 vibes

Petra

I've always wondered whether Toms zero through six lived up to their descendent's reputation - but is two a Tom?

rbohrer

Not really. He is indeed the 7th generation Tom in his family but none of his ancestors started sigbovik

Quantum Jump

Wait did Tom start sigbovik? I knew he contributed, but didn't know he was a founder!

rbohrer

I wasn't there in the beginning, but I believe he was one of the founders. If not a founder then certainly the most influential person, was the MC for many years until Jim McCann took over (also a complete sweetie poo and bovik legend!) Though to be fair, sigbovik is not about any one individual, it is about the community and our DESPERATE NEED FOR A NEW COVER ARTIST FOR THE PROCEEDINGS (seriously if any artists read this and are interested in helping the community, please email the organizers, they will pay you TWO banana)

effika

Liking this comment right here; hello fellow font nerd

Kirby “Isaac” Macintosh

Me and @echoparallax had this very same notion a couple days ago! Great minds think alike, or as the German equivalent supposedly goes, “two idiots, one thought.” https://cohost.org/echoparallax/post/891398-i-ve-run-into-this-b

two

Hah, nice! Surely this means at least one type designer has had this exact thought at some point. The true "obliquer italics" must be out there somewhere...

sarksus

Yeah the use of unitalicized words in italicized passages to indicate emphasis is frustrating to read through. A single unitalicized word in an italicized passage does not stand out as well as a single italicized word in an unitalicized passage so I always do a double take before realizing it’s unitalicized. I do wish they would just do what you did here, or just completely discard the concept of italicized passages to indicate inner thoughts.

xenolon

This is something which likely could be solved by better typographic distinction between italics and oblique type. The two are often conflated, both by the layperson and by design software.

True italics should be reserved for very specific applications, or in this case, the second-level-down distinction treatment.

Smoke and Honey

As you get further and further into layers of quotes, then eventually all the letters are fully horizontal

Nick

But I feel like it's so hard to see the difference especially if you're just glancing at it, also it's so confusing to be like "wait what does more italic mean vs less italic oh god" as you read

Kw1q51|v3r_Vorian

I can’t explain it but the two bold italic words next to each other like that have the same vibe as Ferrari and Lamborghini getting into a fight

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aune

oh my god, SOAP though

it doesn't even stand for that anymore, because they at some point realized that was the most they could do to formalize the fucking disaster that is SOAP's development and usage

it's not even actually the worst thing in the world because it's just fucking posting RPC-shaped XML all over the place but AHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Kat

I have never been rested a day in my life.

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cron mom

this is also a great reminder of the chronology of the models - I feel like for everything before ~2000 I wasn't old enough to be forming memories of which models existed at the same time, etc, but seeing things like this where the only models they can reference are the ones that exist at that time really nails it home

cron mom

and like, the breadth that they were going for early on. The IIfx predates the LC by a few months, and for the ~3.5x price, you might well have been getting more than 3.5x the computer!

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Sabella the Gaytur

if he unmatches, he doesn't deserve you.

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Michaela Sue

Yeah, I miss being able to do that too

sage

i feel you on this :host-cry:

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li (occurring)

oh my god that's so good

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Sara Lily

ooh neat! also, what terminal multiplexer are you using? it looks very pretty and useful

li (occurring)

zellij! it's very much still in development, but it's stable enough for me to use for work. i love it, it is one of the few pieces of software that really truly brings me joy

rachel

Mmmm thanks I think I'll give this launcher a shot, I've always been meh to fine with my dev work macs, maybe this will be good

li (occurring)

it's fast, and very easy to write custom commands and extension for, and does what i want and stays out of the way — which is all i want and all i can really ask for!

artemis system

is it possible to have global hooks, or do i need to add them per project?

li (occurring)

when i tried looking this up, i didn't find a good answer beyond "an automated was to add it to all your projects", so ... afaik, per project 😐

artemis system

ah yeah, i looked it up too just now. it appears you can make a template that applies to new repositories, and you can also just git init existing repos to copy them over as well. Also, wow, raycast is really cool. will definietly be trying this out as a spotlight alternative

Pixievolt No. 1

ooh, I should try this with something that plays the Wario Land 4 diamond sound~

In reply to post 888958:

effika

I hit the <3 button but that's inadequate. This is a really cool paper and I appreciate the summary. I'm glad you shared it here!

Fred Hebert

Thanks! I appreciate the explicit appreciation :)

Millie

Thanks for sharing this, it's interesting thinking about this concept applied to my own line of work and workplace. Been definitely seeing things going solid over the past few months here!!

Irenes (many)

we really appreciate you taking the time to dig into this subject and explain it to the rest of us. it is important stuff, and highly relevant to both our professional and our personal interests.

Julia Floyd

Fabulous write up! I can immediately think of instances of “going solid” in other situations. Like how starbucks will deliberately understaff their stores, which turns every staffing hiccup into a full blown disaster.

eub

Interesting paper and summary, thank you! This smells strongly like it applies to me professionally but I haven't quite stuck the landing. Unintegrated thoughts --

What stands out to me about the hospital system (not sure about the original reactor) is that we're talking about a changed operational mode of the people who are part of the system's operating loop. Components of the hospital can no longer be abstracted over, so human decision-makers are making decisions on multi-component assemblies that are not familiar. This unfamiliar decision space reminds me of when people are responding to a distributed system's cascading failure; the system behavior is unfamiliar, like steering on ice, and the proper procedures may not be ingrained.

One aspect of "going solid" is tight coupling and long, unpredictable chains of consequences. This is painfully familiar in software systems, but often it's a feature (bug) of the system design, rather than occurring as an operating mode to enter and leave.

I wonder if the hospital admins find it kind of... fun? to be in this less-familiar mode, where they're making hands-on decisions, optimizing patient outcomes in a crisis, being directly effective. There's the temptation in software to be an expert or a chaos-handler, versus erase the complexity to be known or managed.

Fred Hebert

"This is painfully familiar in software systems, but often it's a feature (bug) of the system design, rather than occurring as an operating mode to enter and leave."

I think this is a tricky thing to say. The issue with a design is that it is done in a mindset and context that is allowed to shift over time. The demands, loads, burdens, techniques, practices, pressures, knowledge, and legal requirements are allowed and expected to change, and these have a direct impact on what is or isn't triggering mode changes.

For a twisted example, the Three Mile Island incident did not result in any large environmental impact, but that was in part because the containment building was designed stronger than usual due to air traffic in the area and they wanted to tolerate damage from a crashing plane; the siting may have incidentally saved a lot of trouble. Is this good preventive design or a latent bug that was circumstantially avoided?

In a software system, scale and new features are two examples that may make a mode that was practically never entered suddenly be triggered all the time, and going solid becomes a constant demand.

This is where part of the niche of Resilience Engineering: things are going to change, the designs are necessarily going to age into a context that makes them less adequate, and ongoing adaptation is going to be required from practitioners and managers alike.

And it is possible (read: expected) for some people in these new more chaotic roles to find them fun or interesting, and for others to hate and dislike it and push to bring the operating point back to where it once was. The beauty of working in a complex system is that all these things exist at once as conflicting forces and priorities, semi-dependently influencing the whole. Interventions in such an environment require figuring out how to be a part of it that also has an impact.

Models like the drift model provide people with tools to reason about these interventions, forces, and possible consequences, in order to be able to monitor conditions and stage potential interventions as well.

As a final sidebar, there is nothing about the model that specifically constrains it to social or technical domains alone. In my mind, everything points at it being a sociotechnical mechanisms where all of these aspects interact within the same ecosystem.

eub

I think this is a tricky thing to say. The issue with a design is that it is done in a mindset and context that is allowed to shift over time.

Hm. I'd still say tight coupling and long, unpredictable chains of consequences are a negative feature of a design, and I'll say they're negative specifically because the context will shift over time. (Re)design is a diachronic art; it aims to reach a point well-suited to enable known and unknown future change. Tight coupling and uncontrolled effect chains make future changes more difficult and more risky.

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D

yep! I have an old notebook somewhere which has some iterations of a poem I was working on for about half a year and my god, actually writing out a full block of text and then editing/rewriting etc was really interesting in retrospect as a visual representation of just how much writing is restructured, rephrased and otherwise changed

David Coles

Makes me kind of wish word editors had a recording feature, so that you could watch how a piece of writing developed over time. Throw in some semantic analysis (when sentences are split, reordered, merged, etc.) and it would make a really interesting way to watch how the piece of writing evolved.

Emily the Flareon

You can do this using Google Docs with an extension called Draftback. You can replay it in real-time as well as sped-up. It's so cool

ArBe

I relate to this a lot, particularly the need for artificial structure when writing on paper and every one of the grammatical quirks. It's nice to see I'm not the only one struggling with this.

David Coles

Glad it's not just me! I was talking with a colleague about writing documentation and was explaining how he would "waffle on and write too much"—I was like "... you mean you don't write in random order??!".

One interesting experiment I tried was to take a longer piece of my writing and throw it into ChatGPT; asking it to rewrite it so that it "flowed better". It was the strangest sensation to read my own thoughts, but smoothed into a linear-flowing piece of text.

Average Choster

My mom is an editor so I've had a professional resource for "tell me how to flow this better" my whole life. One big advantage of a human editor being the ability to explain why they're doing it (you could ask the language model the question but it wouldn't be answering it, it would be generating stochastic text that looks like an answer based only on words in its model not on meaning).

ꙮ tatybara ꙮ

if i didn't know i had adhd this post would make me go get checked lol

Elizabeth

A friend has told me I’m better than average at cranking out a rough draft of fiction because when I get in a flow state on a story, 100k words in a month isn’t impossible… but my sentences tend to have so many comma splices in them ><

Editing my stuff can be ROUGH

edderiofer

Protip: most of the time when you have a comma splice, you can fix it by using a semicolon instead of a comma!

(I think I use semicolons way more than other people.)

Loni CB

this is so real...i mostly avoid this by writing less, but thats just ignoring the problem...

Big Mick Energy

i feel seen

Quilynn

I don't know what you're talking about (yes I do, (I really do))

Sometimes my brain gets stuck obsessing over word choice, between two words. Or that thing where you KNOW there's a perfect word for a concept but you just CAN NOT recall it. It's bad when I'm writing, but it's even more annoying when I'm talking and my conversation partner just has to stand there waiting while my brain stalls

Ghast

I feel this a lot - especially in situations where there's a pressure to be concise without needing to respond quickly. You write some stuff, go back, add a clause to the middle of sentence, add a parenthetical, copy paste something to a new position, reword a part, until you end up with a very long message that feels difficult to read (therefore requiring more edits!), and so on. I didn't realize this was an ADHD thing but this has helped me connect some dots, ha. (ps. this message took longer to write than I'd care to admit and I'm not pleased with it but I'm going to hit submit anyways).

Aqueous [Lv. D Sluggish Edgegirl]

Holy shit, after struggling my whole life with basically all of these issues (not just when writing, but also in conversation - I speak rather haltingly at times because I have to pause while my brain tries to find the precise word to convey what I mean with the exact correct connotations, which means I get interrupted a lot because people think I'm done talking even though my thought is very clearly unfinished, and I go on rambling tangents in the middle of a thought (oh hey look what I'm doing right now while writing this) - seeing just how many other people think like I do when structuring their sentences, writing, etc. is insanely validating. Wow.

I remember as a kid, whenever I'd get to the essay sections of tests, particularly the standardized tests where they'd expect you to write a fucking narrative, my brain would basically just freeze, because having to write something that complex in linear order (while also being bad at writing outlines, a skill I think I've improved a bit at over the years but one where I'm still pretty sluggish, probably to the point where I'd still struggle with those standardized tests' essay sections) was utterly unnatural for me. I'd also struggle with getting any schoolwork where I had to write an essay in on-time (if I'd turn it in at all), which eventually led to me getting placed in a special-ed English class in the 5th grade... and then very quickly getting taken out once they realized the content being taught was far too basic for what I could handle (but of course they never gave me any fucking accommodations once they put me back into the class in which I'd otherwise have started the year, because as we all know, difficulty with comprehension is the only way in which someone could possibly struggle with schoolwork 🙃)

... Y'know, now I'm wondering if this is part of why I like antiquated grammatical orderings so much - like, nowadays you're generally expected to say "if there ever was [...]" unless you're trying to sound like you smell your own farts or whatever, but in my mind "if ever there was [...]" sounds not just as natural, but in fact even more natural of a sentence structure, particularly when the fingers or lips it's coming from are mine.

David Coles

I had to read "if ever there was [...]" about three times before my brain even registered that it was in a different order. 🥲

But that's exactly how I would want to do it too. The natural syncopation of *tap-tap-pi-ty-tap* is far more interesting than the metronomeic "if there ever was [...]".

Eric

I always had trouble when school tests required me to write an essay within a certain amount of time. I was decent at it, but I always struggled with staying on time, because I kept re-writing entire passages. Can't remember what got the idea, but during my last year, I decided to spend 50% of my time not writing the essay, but writing down every single thought I had about a subject and ordering them into a structure. Never had any timing issues after that and my grades improved a ton.

Eighteen years later I find out that I have ADHD.

I still write essays this way. I use a notebook though, because for some reason I typing something into a word processor feels much more definitive than just putting it down on paper.

David Coles

That's an awesome idea. I was always so worried about time limits, that I would jump straight to the writing part rather than "wasting time" planning things out. I suspect I would have struggled far less with the prose part if I'd just given myself time to get my thoughts in order first!

Iro

God, yeah.

Quidam

It is really difficult for me to choose what words to use in sentences when I am writing in general (here or on Discord) and especially when I write fiction. I like writing fiction, I want to do it more often, but I can only write short passages every day because it exhaust me.

No Man's Skye

I have all of those grammatical quirks but interestingly I usually write from start to finish super fast without really thinking about what I'm doing or where I'm going - I'm just transcribing my thoughts as they come to me. But then I go back and edit it, and that takes ages, as I add things in the middle, rearrange things, reword things, etc. I'm also better at not writing nested parentheticals in the first place now, because I make an effort not to write them because I know they're hard to follow, because people can't hold like 5 incomplete sentences in their heads at the same time, you know?

I usually read through what I've written at least three times in full, if not more, making changes each time, until I'm either finally satisfied, or notice it has been several hours and I should really call it good whether I'm satisfied or not.

David Coles

That's an interesting (and totally valid) way of approaching it that I hadn't thought of before. And really, the important bit is just getting the thoughts down on paper before they evaporates into the ether, right?

The number of ~~great~~ ideas lost for lack of a piece of paper. 🥲

Will

What's interesting to me is that almost everything you describe here is potentially a valid stylistic choice, depending on the context. Like, there are writers whose whole thing is intricately nested parentheticals.

David Coles

Right. It's not that anything here is outright wrong, but it does interrupt the "smoothness" of the text as a whole; especially when they start to stack up.

Noxulous of Fyth

Oh shit...

edderiofer

Yep, this is all too relatable for me, especially when I write long passages online.

Normally I only go back and edit superposition, misordering, and superfluous grammar. Nesting and punctuation soup are wonderful constructs that I like having in my writing, thank you very much.

\phi

I do all thish but I also keep forgetting words, meowf
I will simply forget to them.

Viz

I feel extremely called out by this. Also I despise editing. But I’ve been told my work is very pleasant and easy to read, so I guess that’s worth something?

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walking mirage

if mac had a trackpoint i would switch immediately and never look back

In reply to post 852124:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Gehuzbbsggvsyshebvwhsbbwhwhbsuwhsbswiwbsbd we whsh

concoloris

everything to do with oracle is a horror and a sin

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David Smith

It's gonna be like when they copied the fade animation for menus (the Mac version was snap-in fade-out, the Windows version was fade-in snap-out, which was precisely wrong)

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Lævos

web pees nuts (checks out since that's where pee is stored)

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joXn

ಠ﹏ಠ

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Nire Bryce

I think this might be what they call a "gzip"

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andi

Well at any rate thank you for not using double-story gs on Cohost, I appreciate it

colin

yeah I personally like them but I understand where people are coming from about them being a little busy

and in either case, I'm not gonna crack open fontforge to add a double-story g to atkinson hyperlegible out of spite

Joshu

I handwrite double-story gs because otherwise when I speed up writing my ‘g’ gets indistinguishable from ‘s’

tef

at some point twitter will discover old style numerals/text figures and all hell will break loose

In reply to post 830897:

noah

The Two-Edit Monte is genius lol

In reply to post 828624:

yuubi

open-circuit gf, short circuit gf

lesbiennes sans frontières

so true

In reply to post 826599:

JP

not to make everything about the current bullshit but if LLM generators are unleashed fully on the internet, it will be equivalent to an army of millions of guys doing things similar to maliciously changing random hard to notice and verify facts on wikipedia.

garak

This phenomenon was present (but not dwelled upon) in Anathem by Neil Stephenson. Basically any fact put into the equivalent of the Internet is immediately repeated with permutations by SEO farms.

The solution that has emerged, rather than un-fucking anything, is an additional protocol layer on top the AI-generated bullshit which uses more AI to extract what is most likely the original ground truth. I am deeply disturbed how plausible that sounds.

scranton reality wanker

there was a concerted effort spearheaded by SA forum FYAD posters circa 2008 to make these kinds of inconsequential stealth edits intermixed with lots of valid, useful edits to make the vandalism harder to notice. it was usually targeted at pages they considered to be amusingly over-detailed (often things like second-by-second recaps of every single sonic cartoon episode) that eventually got purged & extracted into external fan wikis anyway. but there are almost certainly still traces left from that "game" and its copycats

In reply to post 826547:

fictive

When I make sites I use webp for lossy and then you can tap for a lossless png if yr a png lover (and theres jpeg fallback if yr browser doesnt support webp). webp lossy compresses better than jpeg with less distracting artifacts (especially with drawn images, rather than photos). it helps me make my website not suck back so much bandwidth from someone browsing it on their phone with a potentially limited dataplan

i dont really understand the hate its literally just an image format. all of my software works with it. Huh??

alex tax1a

it isn't an image format, it's a video format being used to store a single frame. as a video format, it cannot be partially decoded or progressively displayed, it is complicated to decode when you do have all of the data, is generally inferior to JPEG XL outside of benchmarks, and the main push for its existence is a commons-capturing venture by google to entrench its own standards, which, if Microsoft had pulled this in the 90s, open source nerds would be yelling about it.

cassie

I think all of the people here who are in favor of webp are comparing it to old JPEG where it is good because it’s like 20–25 years newer. “It sucks as an image format” is at least partly about comparing it to modern image formats.

Sure throw out the webp once JXL is real, but my understanding is that it hasn’t finished standardization yet?

alex tax1a

no! jpeg xl is not real specifically because google is choking it out by forcing webp on everyone! that is the literal thrust of the complaint here!

cassie

I know google is being stupid and trying to kill it and I hate that. But that’s not why I can’t use it: literally no browser supports it yet, and looking at the JPEG website they still have several standards documents listed as “in progress”.

If I have my way, jxl >> png ~ webp > jpeg.

alex tax1a

nobody supports it because no browser supports it because google is choking it out, i don't see how this situation is going to improve until google stops choking out the standard, at which point everyone will be using webp, which is what google wants

fictive

why does google even want it if its worse at being an image format. what do they gain from people using webp instead of whatever. its not like they get royalties the way MPEG does

alex tax1a

i dont fucking know! jxl is also a google standard! it drives me incredibly insane how little people care about this! they have no good reason to be doing it, and that's reason enough to resist it!

fictive

yeah i dont really care about the image format internals I just want to put the pictures on my webpage with less bandwidth.

no progressive loading is kind of annoying tho.

Sabella the Gaytur

I didn't even know WebP existed until pictures I saved from Imgur started getting saved as .webp files out of nowhere. files that should have been JPEGs or PNGs like the original file was served to me.

In reply to post 826132:

cat

I wish Chrome didn’t suddenly and inexplicably decide to drop support for jpeg XL despite having a google team actively working with the consortium to develop it

~

this comment has sent me down a bunch of weird rabbit holes lol thank you

shork

yeah, JXL is the one image format that should really succeed out of all of these… hard to work against Chrome though

cat

The jxl flag is still in chrome but apparently not chromium. I wonder if folks are still fighting for it to be included (especially since it's already right there)

Beowulf!!!

Their reasoning that it's not being adopted by enough browsers angers me. It feels like one of the most transparent political moves under the guise of standards that I've ever seen.

In reply to post 824454:

d🔶

My understanding is:

In reply to post 824446:

Jessica

I have 27,288 items in my photo library across more than a decade, it takes up 190 GB. HEIC is meaningfully smaller than JPEG. lmao

Dornath

Ok I understand what you're saying here but so many of my idiot teenage students have to delete shit EVERY YEAR so that I can make them download the mandatory apps they need to turn in their schoolwork (Like Teams or Outlook) and they always have 70,000 saved snapchat jpegs or videos or fucking whatever it BAFFLES MY MIND.

In reply to post 824426:

cassie

“Negligibly smaller” is wrong—they’re frequently twice as small, if you don’t care about that it’s probably because you have good internet! But lots of people still don’t and especially mobile connections. It’s objectively a good format for the web! You should be mad that people making desktop applications are still doing a terrible job supporting it.

JPEG XL is dramatically better than webp (which is really only good because most other image codecs are 25+ years old and we’ve learned a lot in that time) and I’m very worried that it’s going to get trashed the same way.

Blorg³

you conflated two different things i said here! i had literally no idea that lossy webp was any smaller than jpeg, i was being derisive about file size specifically in the context of huge high-res phone camera pics in HEIC. the webp part i was literally asking what it offered me as a user!

ian

Even on smartphones with high-resolution sensors HEIC is better. In a simple still-life shot of a building shot with my 12MP iPhone camera the HEIC image was 2.5MB and the JPEG of the same scene was 3.8MB.

Now sure, that's just a single photo, but consider that people use their phones as their only camera and quickly fill them up. I sure have on my phone, many times over. A 1MB savings (roughly, depends on the contents of the photo) per shot REALLY adds up when you're dealing with thousands of photos.

Blorg³

i personally would rather periodically transfer my photos to another storage medium that is safer and less ephemeral than my phone if i was taking that many photos

kyle

If modern day website-havers are concerned about people's internet connections then maybe instead of worring about png filesize, they could do something like serve html pages instead of 200mb javascript webapps.

In reply to post 823378:

arborelia

I like the command line but there's no hecking way I'm running ffmpeg just to open an image in a desktop app.

secrets

It's about time we all admitted that approximately everything after HTML4 and the 64-color animated gif was a colossal mistake we've simply been compounding ever since

In reply to post 819887:

Nire Bryce

i think you can just relabel those to jpg or png but i forget which one

whatnames

my computer never accepts them when i do that unfortunately, i just get a forever buffer

ꙮ tatybara ꙮ

i have a webp blocker plugin because webp is the worst

BootlegPotato

This a 100% 👏

DarkOverord

Yeah that's why I have the "WebP / Avif image converter" for Firefox 'cus uuuuuuuuuurgh

KoHoSo

^^^THIS!!!^^^

Ecter B.

The best i was able to do without installing addons, was to go into about:config in firefox and put "*/*;q=0.8,image.webp;q=0.0" as the value for key "image.http.accept".

It resulted in FF telling the sites that it doesn't like getting webp formatted images. It won't work everywhere, but for sites with content negotiation (like wikia and its images) i get more conventional formats now.

🌊

that is fancy af, gosh!

「Behemoth」

The other day, I was trying to download a nice tiling pattern from a stock image website and the ONLY download link was a webp file. It was honestly insulting.

mumil

Funny, just yesterday on a certain other site I saw a thread of people lamenting how it wasn't in wider use. I'm a layman so I don't know anything either way but the small file-size seemed cool?

Ecter B.

It's nice if you run a website and don't want to pay extra for transfer, especially with huge traffic and a lot of images served (short: smol size good). But as a person who wants to save the image from such site and use it for anything (like a quick dumb meme done in mspaint, or even use it as your desktop wallpaper) you're out of luck because the program you use most probably can't open it (short: new unsupported format bad).

mumil

Ok thanks, this is more or less the argument I've seen against it. Fair enough. I have run into it once or twice but I don't have the Gift of Memes which is probably why it hasn't bothered me to much. Now conversely, in the same thread I saw people saying that the webp format dates back to like 2001 and it just didn't ever see that much uptake. Would it be impossible now that it's getting popular for it to soon be more widely supported? Or is there something inherent to the format? Sorry for all the questions!

signal eleven

the general state of support uptake for new image formats in the world is just Apocalyptically Bad. you're not missing anything, it's super slow and support seemingly just never happens

Ecter B.

Main reason to look for new (or old but not widely known) image formats with stronger, lossless compression, has been web's shift to mobile (less reliable connections, having to care for transfer limits on client side). If not for that, it would probably still be an obscure format known only to a specific circle of geeks.

Big problem for wide support is range of devices and setups in the world. There's no quick switch to rollout webp everywhere all at once, unless some big enough player forces others to change their priorities - like Google did its huge part for widespread https use for all websites, or when Apple basically killed off flash player on web by completely dropping the support on iPhones. For image formats, there's seemingly no easy way to do such huge shift, since webp is not going to replace png/jpeg/gif (just coexist with them), so there's nothing that could be sacrificed to force everyone to move to new formats.

Gabu!! ☁️ ΘΔ

add JFIF to this too... "save image as" on twitter wants to save it as that by default and it SUCKS!!!!!!!!

arborelia

JFIF is the most baffling thing to me. it stands for JPEG File Interchange Format. It's a hecking JPEG but they made it weird!!!

Gabu!! ☁️ ΘΔ

it makes no sense!!!! it works in zero programs and if you rename it to jpeg and it works in every program again!!! why did they make this?!?!

fluffy

JFIF is the technical term for the file format, but for whatever reason they went with the .jpg/.jpeg file extension back in the day. The real issue there is that things care about the file extension (which is for humans) rather than the file contents (which is for computers).

the cat ever

jfif more like smokes a j and drinks a fif and comes up with this format

John Colagioia

Yeah, but we were overdue for a "brand new format that'll change the world by being a shallow wrapper around an existing format that makes it hard for existing software to recognize what's going on"...

Regnslöja

Me too. I use a recent enough Linux Mint (20.2), and webp doesn't generate thumbnails in the file browser and the default app to open them is the web browser, not the image viewer.
There's zero adoption. But worst of all is the name. WEBP is such a joyless, generic name... Why would I want all my images to be named after the web?? Is the web taking credit for images now? and four letters too, which is -1 points right away.
It might be a slightly better format (Who knows?), but is a small improvement worth this utter lack of appeal?

Ecter B.

PNG stands for "Portable Network Graphic", which is kinda the same but not at the same time...? Both are named to suggest that they're good for moving pixels via series of tubes.

whatnames

important update: i have added the tag "#webp discourse" in case you would like to muffle it like i did and Obtain Peace <3

In reply to post 808599:

hillexed

Whoa what's the context

lea

It's from this video on MRIs. Basically, MRI uses magnetism of hydrogen nuclei in one's body to do imaging but you can use a "hyper-polarized" (in a magnetic sense) noble gas instead, which gives a way stronger signal per number of atoms. The patient can safely breathe it in and have their lungs imaged, which is pretty neat.

craw ΘΔ

Bad Apple played on a bag MRI

In reply to post 808446:

alex tax1a

having lived in a house with a quarter bath, we know it's just a room with a toilet in it.

Shel

Your are ready for bathroom algebra

Michaela Sue

I feel like in America we'll eventually end up with the 7/8ths and 15/32nds bath since we like weird fractions so very much.

Joey/Nub ΘΔ

I live in a house with one-and-a-quarter bathrooms.

Feel free to figure out if it's a three-quarters bath + half-bath, one whole bath + a quarter-bath, or five quarter-baths

Inumo

Quarter is definitely just a room with a toilet, because a room with a sink is a cheap kitchen.

ROTSHARP, cyberlumpen ogre

dealers choice. you show up and get to be surprised and theres a non zero chance its simply an exposed sewer line

liffy 💜

I've lived in a place with a shower, bath, and toilet, but no sink. (expectation is that you'd use the kitchen sink i guess) is that ¾ or ⅔ or what

Shel

¾ just a different ¾

In reply to post 780121:

Tim Chevalier

Weirdly, that's also the name of my folk-punk band

Irenes (many)

and our nemesis-for-hire service

In reply to post 771684:

alex tax1a

if you do not do this, you will wind up with a system where the bootloader can read the kernel, but the kernel, when going to launch init, actually refuses to mount the root filesystem with "error 45"

In reply to post 769398:

PolyWolf

proud of u <3

! a creatures !!

words arent real but knowing u got this is. positive. happy for u

In reply to post 766561:

walking mirage

is this an ancient and forgotten technique

alex tax1a

the definition of cursed unix arcana

наб

as a quantifiable reference, this is an API POSIX has applied 2 changes (half editorial) to in 2013, and nothing more; the CHANGE HISTORY starts with "First released in Issue 2. Derived from Issue 2 of the SVID.", and the contents differ in just layout from the SVr1 User's Manual, dated January 1983; yes it kinda sucks, yes, there's a fresh API (mq_*) originally from the POSIX Realtime Extension that sucks less, but it's shaded optional-for-Message-Passing, natch. few people know about this API and it's thorny to use and down-right fucking weird for a modern user's sensibilities

In reply to post 759810:

silby

u better believe I used TikZ to draw all my automata diagrams in my theory homework

alex tax1a

we used graphviz for the automata, but LaTeX for the tabular / mathematical stuff

In reply to post 758250:

Michaela Sue

I am having 4mm tape drive nostalgia thanks to you! I don't really miss the Travan I got after the 4mm broke, it worked fine, I guess, but it lacked the vibes

alex tax1a

we had an Apple branded 40-meg tape drive for a bit, and then in the PC world later on had the Colorado brand and then Ditto, which could work with Travan

chaos gf

oh man, now you're making me consider it

alex tax1a

we trust a tape to remain readable 20 years from now, we do not trust a spinning disk, or an SSD.

In reply to post 757536:

alex tax1a

cool!! we have a SCSI diamond tattoo! :3

In reply to post 756510:

~

and ideally do it before your entire worth in life is an admittedly beautiful stapler, though of course better late than never

Sabella the Gaytur

everybody needs to bring more of Milton's energy into 2023 tbh.

In reply to post 755293:

bcj

:piss:

li (occurring)

calvin pissing but it's eggbug

philosophy major (derogatory (reclamative))

reading this post like paramore lyrics

nothing compares to
unquiet peeing alone
just the one two
of us who's counting on
that never happens
I guess I'm dreaming again
let's do more than
more than piss

doeg

piss

Sabella the Gaytur

poop.

In reply to post 752288:

наб

hell yeah sickos fuckin jpeg

In reply to post 740585:

Maynard

hello wug!

Kay

I have the boys down at the lab putting their heads together on a new prototype: eggwug

eevee

wug is big

bcj

wug is huge

brooke

the wug became famous in a linguistic experiment that demonstrates that children learn generalizable rules of language rather than mimic examples that they have heard in the past!

the experiment showed one wug labeled something like "this is a wug." and then showed two wugs and said something like "there is another one! there are two ____." and had children say out loud what the word would be (in this case, wug being a nonsense word that they had never encountered)

children knew to pronounce wugs like a z at the end instead of an s, even though they had never heard anyone pluralize wug before

bcj

kids rule

Gints Halcejs

But it's clearly two wuggen

Kaylon

a big stepping

In reply to post 740563:

Ryusui

"When I wrote this code, only God and I knew how it worked. Now, only I know."

Peter Hosey

Also applies before writing, as in rubber-ducking.

In reply to post 713508:

garudina

ah yes, Steve's code

signal eleven

any healthy engineering org should outright proscribe these things https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/21/ai_assistants_bad_code/

vaporware

OH NO I DIDN'T FORESEE thiS! fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge. not looking forward to reviewing code in the future

signal eleven

if i find out someone has sent me something like this i will politely but firmly demand that they never do it again and completely turn off the tool during work hours.

if you don't know how to do something or it's annoying to write you should learn what you're trying to do and then either do that or improve the way in which it's done. better apis are possible, you can just write one

li (occurring)

crying in sunglasses dot jpg

In reply to post 703820:

The Pnictogen Wing

we did for like a week or two

наб

omg twinning (do they still say this, am i showing my advanced age)

наб

oh no does msys2 count as a win32 arch port

alex tax1a

idk if people say it but we are into twinning

silby

Void linux is the cool one now

In reply to post 703639:

gravis again

you simply cannot mount more than 26 drives. after Z it says "nope. you're done." you can then mount an indefinite number of drives as virtual folders, unix style, but I don't know if anyone does this or what the implications are. why they haven't added two letter drive IDs is anyone's guess, I'd be shocked if it would break much in the api

mind you, the flip side is that this is a pretty much non-existent need outside of rare server situations (who has 26 distinct logical volumes, as opposed to huge raid arrays?) and almost every single piece of software written since 1995 runs flawlessly on the latest windows, a need that comes up constantly for hundreds of millions of people worldwide. so I think it's a reasonable tradeoff

alex tax1a

as far as we know, the unix-style mounting thing actually works incredibly well and is the way most Windows admins do it these days

also, if i understand things correctly, which we may not, DOS is not our strong point, the thing they would have to do to maintain compatibility would be to represent two-letter drive IDs as numbers and then symbols, because the storage allocated for these things is often a byte that is then restricted to uppercase values.

gravis again

My suspicion is that dos apps now represent such a tiny percentage of legacy software that they could reasonably say "hey admins, if you want to use more than 26 mounts with your legacy apps, go right ahead, you'll just be limited to win32 software that uses the APIs"

From what I've seen and developed myself, it's pretty much universal that paths in a win32 app are stored as plain old strings with no delimiters or fields, and they only get broken up as needed, which isn't all that common. When they do get broken up, it's usually done with OS APIs, but don't quote me on that.

Most of those paths are obtained by calling win32 common dialogs, or interacting with COM objects, either of which produces a complete string when all is said and done. So in short, I strongly suspect that they could extend this without breaking more than a tiny tiny handful of apps, and for those the advice could be "okay, stick to single letters"

I suspect the only reason they never did this is because the great code freeze (Vista, after which they've added virtually nothing to the OS) happened before they started receiving any demand for legacy app support on systems with tons of volumes

ahundred T. wolfsatyr

this reminds me of when i was trying to image my father's hard disks cause he couldn't connect them to his new iMac and he'd named them all things like doppelgänger. i gave up and used my linux box.

In reply to post 699623:

ira 🌷🐰

oh because its work and someone else did the file structure, I've a couple of times run into the problem where I am unable to open files because the file path is too long. love Windows it's great

AtomD

when you access \localhost\c$, you access an SMB network share of your c drive that Windows sets up automatically. fun fact: this allows domain admins to access any domain machine’s c drive over the network. it can actually be removed, though i haven’t tried that.

colin

just checked on my local machine (where I've disabled the default shares) and apparently \\localhost\[drive letter]$ works to access local drives even if you've disabled the shares, which is wild

spitfire

what happens when you mount more than 26 disks?

you can mount a disk at any (empty) directory of any existing NTFS volume. so actually there’s no guarantee that C:\SomeDir is really on the “C” volume

Emily the Flareon

There's no guarantee that C:\SomeDir isn't some stupid network share where file operations block for 15 seconds and only half of the features are implemented

Miff

I ran into really long paths with Flight Simulator 2020 so I had to symlink c:\fs2020 to the long path so I can add content to it.

Edit to add: the maximum path length is for allocation of string buffers in C code (a lot of the OS is written in C and C++) and Unixlikes have the same problem for the same reason.

Terry T. Student

If you mount more than 24 disks (A: and B: are reserved for floppy disks specifically), any further disks will be mounted but won't be easily accessible. Windows doesn't have "mount points": mounting a filesystem happens automatically when you first access a device that's marked as a volume, and things like drive letters or "mount points" are actually symbolic links.

The real path of a disk is something like \Device\HarddiskVolume3 (in kernel path syntax), and a drive letter is actually a symbolic link with a path like \GLOBAL??\C:. C: is not a file, but a symbolic link object, and \GLOBAL?? is not a directory, but an object directory: both are abstractions used to give a structure to the kernel object namespace. Symbolic links under \GLOBAL?? are known as "DOS devices", and include drive letters, proper DOS devices like COM1, AUX, PRN etc. and other kinds of symbolic links to devices.

A Win32 path like C:\dir\file is translated to a kernel path like \??\C:\dir\file; for various backwards compatibility reasons, the translation includes stripping trailing dots from path components, converting forward slashes to backslashes and collapsing special directory entries like .. and . (e.g. C:\dir\.\dir/../file... translates to \??\C:\dir\file as well). In the kernel namespace, there is actually no object directory named \??: it's shorthand for a somewhat complex per-process search path, with \GLOBAL?? as its fallback.

Does this look familiar? Yes, the \\?\-prefixed syntax is a way to skip the normalization step, and feed barely-disguised kernel paths straight to the APIs. If you pass \\?\C:\dir\file, a trivial translation algorithm will be used that turns that into \??\C:\dir\file (what about .. and . directory entries and forward slashes? you are at the mercy of the filesystem implementation for how those are handled). An older escape syntax is the \\.\ prefix, which works almost exactly the same, but is generally used to access devices that aren't in the old DOS set of devices accessible from any path; e.g. COM1 through COM9 are accessible by simply putting the device name in any part of the path (COM1, \\.\COM1 C:\COM1, COM1.txt, C:\COM1\etc all work), but COM10 and above must be accessed as \\.\COM10.

Don't read too much into the \\ syntax, all this is unrelated to UNC (network) paths, which predate Windows NT and the \\.\ and \\?\ escapes. In fact, UNC paths like \\localhost\c$\Users\cat\Desktop\help.txt are internally translated as \??\UNC\localhost\c$\Users\cat\Desktop\help.txt, where UNC is the "DOS device" (symbolic link) for the Multiple UNC Provider (MUP), a router that sits in front of network filesystems, calling each in turn until one accepts the host/share pair in the path. In this case, the host is localhost and the share is c$, and the path will be accepted by the SMB redirector, which automatically creates a share named x$ for each x: drive letter (yes, they're remotely accessible). The reason the share name doesn't include the : part is that it's an invalid character in paths, except to separate the drive letter from the rest of the path; and the reason for the $ is that it's an ancient convention to create hidden entities: all shares (and, I believe, user names and group names as well) that end with $ won't be enumerated.

The full explanation of the Windows path syntax is much more complex. This is the best explanation I know of, although it might be outdated by now: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-definitive-guide-on-win32-to-nt.html

Terry T. Student

How can you access the 25th disk? Drive letters, as I said, aren't the only kind of symbolic links created for disk volumes. Others include:

  • mount manager symbolic links; they look like \\?\Volume{GUID}. You can enumerate thse with command line utility mountvol (which you can also use to assign and revoke drive letters or "mount points", which aren't really mount points). They can be enumerated programmatically with FindFirstVolume/FindNextVolume
  • device manager (aka "Plug & Play") symbolic links; they look like \\?\<device instance path>#{device interface GUID} (the device instance path's backslashes are replaced with #). For example, for a volume enumerated as STORAGE\VOLUME\{AF0B22BB-8E21-4013-9764-211103064B98}#0000000011D00000 that implements interface {53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b} (regular disk volume), the device manager will create symbolic link \\?\STORAGE#Volume#{af0b22bb-8e21-4013-9764-211103064b98}#0000000033D00000#{53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b}. These can be enumerated with device manager APIs, like CM_Get_Device_Interface_List or SetupDiEnumDeviceInterfaces.

You can also create "mount points" on supported filesystems (like NTFS), as special "reparse point" directories. "Reparse points" are a multi-purpose superset of symbolic links, that come in many different kinds. One of the built-in kinds of reparse points is the "mount point", a symbolic link to a volume managed by the mount manager (not any volume but specifically those managed by the mount manager). These differ from proper UNIX mount points in a couple ways:

  • they're actually persisted on disk, they aren't just in-memory abstractions (as a corollary, the target filesystem's on-disk format must allow for storing reparse points). This has its advantages, because you can reorder volumes on a disk, or move them to different physical disks altogether, and all the mount points will keep magically working (volume GUIDs are stored on-disk, in that hidden reserved space at the end of the disk. Does your partitioning software correctly support the - undocumented - format of that database?).
  • since they're just symbolic links, a volume can have many of them. Corollary: if C:\mount is a mount point for \Device\HarddiskVolume4, \\?\C:\mount\.. translates to \Device\HarddiskVolume4\.., which points to the root directory of the target volume, not the root directory of C:; in regular use, this is hidden by the fact that paths like C:\mount\.. are normalized in user mode before being passed to the kernel (C:\mount\.. -> C:\ -> \??\C:\ -> \Device\HarddiskVolume3\), but if you use the \\?\ escape you have to perform this kind of normalization yourself (otherwise, \\?\C:\mount\.. \??\C:\mount\.. -> \Device\HarddiskVolume4\..). On UNIX, this doesn't happen because you can only have one mount point per filesystem (... with exceptions/complications that I won't go into), and the kernel can pretend that the root of the mounted filesystem is actually a subdirectory of the directory that contains the mount point: \media\mount\.. actually "exists" (albeit only in memory) and it correctly points to \media\, instead of being user mode trickery like on Windows.
  • Windows applications generally have no idea what to do with mount points and they'll behave like you pranked them. Expect all sorts of things to stop working correctly, from file operations failing to incorrect calculations of disk space (to avoid this, just pass a full path to GetDiskFreeSpaceEx, instead of passing just the drive letter to GetDiskFreeSpace).

In reply to post 667840:

Michaela Sue

Now I miss my 4mm drive, way back in the day. Was so cool to be able to back up the entire 1GB disk onto a 2GB tape!

In reply to post 667759:

наб

fuck yes. sickos.jpeg

alex tax1a

how do we best do this with freebsd and zfs, we are used to just doing tar czf /dev/rst0 / basically

наб

an equivalent (well, more powerful since it includes all state and not just files) invocation would be something like zfs snapshot -r zoot@$(date -I) and zfs send -LecwRs zoot@$(date -I) > tape i guess (if you can have some sort of file system on there you can add -I @$last_backup for incremental dump), i assume the freebsdness will not interfere with this process

alex tax1a

no that sounds just about right thanks

наб

(drop the -w if its not encrypted and def. try it out because replication sends are weird and encrypted replication sends are hellish; or just drop the -w in general and it's not an issue since that sends plain, unencrypted datasets (which therefore cooperate weirdly with receiving them on the source again); its a sea of bad and worse options unfortunately)

In reply to post 656589:

наб

https://github.com/nabijaczleweli/feembox user 🙈

alex tax1a

oh nice

In reply to post 655234:

The World's Largest Mammal

never knew about netnewswire, definitely gonna try feeds out now! 🫡👍

Chaia Eran

Personally I just use Mozilla Thunderbird and it works great! :)

Irenes (many)

Linux: liferea (and a couple others but that's the one we've tried enough to suggest it)

In reply to post 654275:

nora

neat, thank you!

Misty

Thank you!!

alex tax1a

hhmmm. can we also get an RSS feed of our notifications? :)

jae

this one's tricky b/c authenticated RSS is kinda non-existent in any real way (you can have a special URL but it's not great) but we'll consider it!

okiyama

Looks like the "slightly better but still awful" solution is basic HTTP authentication. http://username:pass@cohost.org/post

This post actually got my brain going on how one would marry RSS to OAuth to solve this problem - gonna chew on it more in the coming weeks.

waitwotno

It could definitely be something to consider, but is this the equivalent of the "super secret url, do not share"? Something to consider is that not all rss readers (what fun) support HTTP authentication, namely Feedly

Zoey

I would do it by embedding a token in the URL Something like https://cohost.org/private-feed/8f203f9b-6fdc-4f6c-b2e0-bc486b3a1eca/posts.atom. Generate one token per account, display these as premade links in the settings UI, and have a token reset button in case you leak it or something. Similar to Google Calendar's Secret address in iCal Format.

fluffy

I've written a bunch about feed authentication, and it's a tough nut to crack. My favored protocol is https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth but no readers currently support it as far as I know, and only a handful of sites support it on the publishing end (including mine).

Unfortunately, embedding the token in the URL is a terrible idea for a bunch of reasons; the big one is that Atom readers which share items from a feed will leak the private feed URL.

Here's some articles I've written about the problems (in the context of Publ, my own site publishing system) and some workable approaches:

\phi

thank u for this new meow, nyeh ✨

Pornographicus

Regardless of the answer to this question, thank you for doing this!

Will the RSS feed work for posts marked as adult content?

jae

looks like yes, it just displays the adult content, which may not be Correct Behavior. we'll figure out what we're doing there.

the RSS feed renders posts slightly differently from the main site so it's missing some of the decision tree around adult content.

waitwotno

I haven't had the chance to look into this, but what about content warnings as well? I am on the belief that the RSS feed should display everything, and leave it up to the user to filter out certain keywords themselves. But if you are so inclined - maybe seperate rss feeds that have options to strip out posts with NSFW / CWs and replace them with placeholders?

jckarter

Nice! Is there a way yet to get a feed for a page filtered by a particular tag (like for one of the page's pinned tags), or will that also have to wait for general tag RSS feeds?

jae

it'll ship with general tag feed RSS!

flintlock-media

This made me really happy, thank you so much 😊

bleep

Great work!

Is there a url to add your main feed?

jae

like your dashboard? not currently, but we'll consider it for the future. it's tricky for the same auth reasons i went into above when talking about notification feeds.

~

heyyy I was kinda wondering if this was on the roadmap, of course the way this site works maybe I read that it was forever ago and half-forgot it haha

edit: I very much do appreciate the JSON feed as well

Plum

Thank you for your hard work

Sora

quality feature, thanks!!

Tess

Atom too! Nice! :)

okiyama

One Reddit feature I liked quite a bit was that you could add .json to any URL and get a JSON-ified version of all the info used to build the page. Effectively turns every page into an API endpoint and makes it so people don't have to do more manual scraping.

jae

hadn't thought of this previously, will consider it!

okiyama

<3 I'll also mention that if y'all ever get to a point where you start taking community contributions directly I'll happily jump on the bandwagon. I bet you've got a bunch of people saying the same, so get it if opening pandora's box to the malestrom of community development is not the move right now, but I'll keep my eye on the space and feel free to reach out if you wanna chat more about what I may be able to offer the team. TL;DR is 6 years experience "senior" (whatever that means nowadays) software engineer, currently with an SF startup and interested in more direct community involvement on my off-time.

jae

appreciate that! at this point we're not comfortable with community contributions on a commercial product, but we'll obvs post about it if anything changes there.

Lynne

Ooh good change thank you. As for the shares feedback, I'd personally like to see "three people shared this post" and keep it as recent in the timeline as the most recent share, rather than the same post unedited three times on the same page.

jae

i mean feedback around RSS feeds specifically, but noted (this is a popular request, there's a lot of unsolved UX issues here since twitter's implementation is (imo) completely dogshit and i haven't seen other platforms try something different (we're obvs aping the tumblr style here))

ChanceNCounter

The objectively correct solution would be a dropdown graph or tree of shares, represented as pfps, and if you click a pfp it goes to the post.

We’d need a name for the row or column of one user that would follow a self-thread. Bonus: the occasional 💈

Lynne

Oh, hah. I'm genuinely not great at RSS (low power user, I just think they're neat, etc) so I don't consider myself up to speed enough to suggest re: RSS improvements. But you made it better and that's good. (also I really like the feel here of much like tumblr but with a touch of twitter flavor without the dogshit) anyway you're doing awesome <3

蒸しルビー

I think with shares maybe you could just add a line at the top of the items that are shares that just says something like “[user] shared” RSS is after all really simple syndication

jae

i thought i already added that but maybe it's not rendering correctly. i'll have to take a look.

蒸しルビー

OKAY SO, shares are showing up like they’re authored by you in your feed I just subscribed to

蒸しルビー

https://rubymayvalentine.net/7F393066-3C67-4720-8353-1ECB939B81A2.png

jae

which reader is this?

蒸しルビー

Reeder 5, let me check my other reader too, RSSOwl

蒸しルビー

yeah it's showing up authored by you in RSSOwl as well

jae

i’ll have to take a look. i manually verified we’re setting everything correctly, so my hunch is that they’re straight up ignoring the field (which is stupid, it’s not like we’re the only site that uses it)

蒸しルビー

yeah I would not be surprised at all, I don't know if you can automate this but it might be best (if it's possible) to include it inside CDATA as part of a markup setup for each post, again, don't know if that's possible lol

jae

it’s showing correctly for me in reeder (author listed, then site name). what backend service are you using?

蒸しルビー

aaaaa, it shows up correctly in ATOM, but not RSS

蒸しルビー

https://rubymayvalentine.net/C93ABE42-4217-4A77-B7F5-76AD2AC3815E.png

Here’s it working with the ATOM link in reeder 5, but yeah the RSS link doesn’t show that stuff

jae

we do at least have the <source /> field set correctly for atom feeds (although i have not seen a single reader that uses that for anything) and we set the author for shared posts correctly as well (although, again, readers are inconsistent abt how they display that)

deafhobbit

...can you make Cohost work as a RSS feed reader?

jae

no, that is very out of scope and there are many services that do RSS aggregation better than we ever could.

tef

Couple of questions:

What happens to locked pages?

I assume they have empty feeds, because it would seem bad if your rss feed disappeared and reappeared if you locked your page

Can people opt-out?

As much as the twelve remaining RSS users will complain, one of the things I like about cohost is I can control who is following my page. Offering RSS is offering one gigantic bypass to these controls.

jae

locked pages 401, we may allow opt-out at some point but it’s not an option rn

internally, we treat the RSS feed as a logged-out user. if you have the profile setting to hide posts from logged-out users enabled (hit the gear icon on your profile), it's essentially disabling the RSS feed as well.

fictive

fuck yes fuck yes fuck yes

john

ayyyy thank you!

waitwotno

Looks great! regarding displaying shares: (Using Feedly)

Paul Czege

I tried putting it into MastoFeed to see what my Cohost posts would look like posted to Mastodon and it couldn't do it, with this message :

"The server can not fetch the content from this URL. This feed appears to be behind Cloudflare servers. Sometimes that blocks our crawlers from accesing the info."

jae

i was able to add it totally fine. make sure you're using the actual feed URL (in your case, https://cohost.org/paulczege/rss/public.atom)

jae

although i'm now realizing there's at least three different things called mastofeed, so i might be looking at the wrong one.

Hikarii

Whoaaa exciting

June

My feedback is maybe it'd be possible to have people's avatars show as the feed image in the atom feed like it seems to be set in the json one.

June

this json feed stuff seems real nice though I can just use that instead

messypixels

Thank you!!

eater

the feeds are very cool. this may be nitpicking, but you seem to be advertising jsonfeed 1.1 and using the author field, and not populating the authors field, which should be used in 1.1 instead of the author field :')

Prof. Monsterfucker

I'm still fairly confused on how I would set this up

Caro

fuck im gonna have to actually learn how to rss now arent i

Maypop the Dragon

(I'm not familiar with RSS and I want to use the JSON feed for some stuff.) How do I load multiple posts or at least load different "pages" of posts? I mean like page 1, page 2, page 3? Do I use specific query parameters?

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bcj

this is an important addition

jckarter

A microscopic bit of metal dust from a SpaceX launch settles in between the panel gaps of his Tesla, causing a mis-soldered wire lead to arc and make his Tesla catch fire in a Boring Co. Tunnel while he's tweeting and driving at the same time

izzy

My mind's hoping for 2, but my body is telling me 3, because then we get to make "Chekov's Tesla" jokes for eternity

In reply to post 648787:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Musk committing Lowtax is honestly seeming more and more likely by the day which, lmao

bcj

I joked[^1] on twitter today about Jack being back as ceo in a few months and by this afternoon it feels like that was an unambitious guess. He is so much more miserable than I imagined

[^1]: but like the kind of joke where you mean it

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I mean even if Musk doesn't eat a gun he may well have tanked all of his companies and his business credibility and he'll lose more than just Twitter over it. He will, unfortunately, never be anything but rich beyond the dreams of avarice barring a miracle or revolution but "no one takes me seriously even though I'm a rich piece of shit" is a positive outcome anyway.

In reply to post 630762:

Nire Bryce

he asks staff to laugh at his jokes and fired the executive who told him it wasn't funny, so i can't imagine he'll ever stop having a gamefaqs mod meltdowsn

In reply to post 624474:

TyreForHyre

i could have replaced the picture with any number of incredibly embarrassing photos but who the fuck wants to look at that freakshit any more

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I appreciate the accurate representation in the form of absolutely nothing of any value or meaning

In reply to post 621111:

David Smith

Similarly, my brain keeps automatically converting "cohost" to "ho coast"

alex tax1a

ours reads it as "chodehost"

In reply to post 617783:

Tim Chevalier

It sure is it, isn't it?

Kallisti, to some degree

jfc we thought at first you were talking about fucking someone with those pronouns and our immediate reaction was "yeah, it/its be like that"

In reply to post 599203:

William D. Jones

I had the opportunity to own a VAX in 2011. I didn't take it because 2011-me was a complete and utter moron who was only interested in DOS machines. I.e. I didn't know better.

If I get a VAX, chances are, I'll run NetBSD on it because I'm more interested in trying to get old silicon to do new things. But I fully sympathize with those who don't share my interest. I'm angry for those enthusiasts who have to jump through great lengths to use machines and software that vendors have left to rot. Through no fault of their own, those retrocomputing enthusiasts are left with machines that can only use a fraction of their true power.

Also, to be perfectly fair, even in my "use NetBSD" approach, it would take effort to utilize the full power of these old workstations via reimplementations, emulation layers, or brand new software. But the FOSS kernels and FOSS userland are a starting point.

liz ten eleven

yeah, i was considering NetBSD for mine too. i just got so fed up trying to locate everything i'd need to even get the system to boot happily that i gave it away to a friend when i moved.

purely dysfunctional catgirl

on the plus(?) side, the number of people i know Posting about cracking flexlm being easy means that the drm is probably not actually that hard to remove.

liz ten eleven

heh, i wasn't even thinking about looking into that, i should.

just gonna say "pakgen.c" and walk away, for the machine i was working with here

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Alex Froio

why does the video look like a shitpost

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Catherine

I don't see how anything is being destroyed? It's trivial to break FlexLM.

William D. Jones

Would you believe me if I told you that in this post I was referring to you ("but I can ask someone who does [know]")? https://mastodon.social/@cr1901/109501860375192858

sudocurse

i mean, "trivial" if you know what "just pick your fave JNE to flip into a JE (or vice versa)" means in concrete steps

DJ Tent Mode

I read this article too and had a similar reaction. I play a lot of old games, but I hardly own any vintage hardware greatly preferring modern software emulation solutions and retro remakes and collections.

The author really lost me at trying to install Pro/E especially as someone who doesn't have the design background. I did my Sr. design work on what were then brand-new Sun workstations in my college's engineering lab and started my career on Pro/E and SolidWorks and do not have any nostalgia or affection for turn-of-the-century CAD programs. If you want to poke around with a CAD program, Fusion360 literally runs in a browser and you can hit CTRL+P to print or send something to a 3D printer instead of trying to find another set of drivers for a printer that won't work.

I think that's the difference for me. Retrogaming - or even retro productivity software - in my mind is distinct from or vintage hardware as a hobby.

shay

I was a newly minted engineer at PTC when it discontinued the HP-UX version of Pro/E. It was one of the last Unices still supported by that software, if not the last one before it became Windows NT only.

The engineers supporting that version were relieved to see it, or any of the other Unix versions for that matter, shut down.

Supporting all those different systems was a lot of work, and from what I was told (I was working on PTC’s Windows software), and vendor support, at least in those last days of commercial Unix, didn’t do enough to alleviate the pain.

In reply to post 598336:

colin

the wasps are in here, buddy

In reply to post 580568:

Sabella the Gaytur

you deserve better.

alex tax1a

thank you

In reply to post 574848:

наб

holy shit ive been looking for something EXACTLY like xpanes for so long this is SO cool

In reply to post 573534:

It’s Joe!

I really love this program!

alex tax1a

thank you! we always love esoteric/alternative tarots, and have been enjoying your posts.

ash

did i ever show you https://catgirl.ai/lost-purpose

alex tax1a

i think you did, and we appreciated it greatly

In reply to post 567628:

gotyaoi

I don't think the storage format of generative models lends itself to the particular comparison used. You could even consider the format a form of compression (perhaps lossy, but still). Like, Project Gutenberg is pushing nearly a terabyte of raw text these days, which compressed could reasonably get down to 200MB or lower, but you couldn't say that the compressed version didn't contain the information of the original.

ash

well, 5 gigabytes / 2.3 billion is about 2 bytes. that's really not a lot of information. it's about the entropy of 16 letters of english.

and i would be very surprised if you could get it down to 200MB. plain gzip generally has a factor of 3-ish on english text. the current winner of the hutter prize compresses a gigabyte of text by a factor of 8.67.

gotyaoi

Sorry, yes, I don't know how I got to 200MB.

What I was trying to get at is that the amount of information stored in, say, the stable diffusion model is not necessarily represented by the size of the model itself. To generalize slightly, you could write a very small program to generate a much larger piece of art, and I don't think it would be correct to judge the information density of the output by the source code of the program.

gnar

a fun concept to explore along the themes of the works youve made might be example based texture synthesis. its got a lot of properties that ML methods have (total dependence on “training data”, all outputs can theoretically be mapped to the input, a lack of humanlike semantics), but are significantly less of a Magic Black Box. a version of Sample or Composite done with, say, wave function collapse would be an interesting point of comparison.

ash

yeah i remember reading about WFC when looking into gamedev a while ago! i was trying to figure out how much i wanted to go between 'you can recognize the shape of the original somewhat' (if you only fold twice or three times in Transpose you can actually see the shape of the original)

In reply to post 555921:

ash

screenshotting the "no callout ever has validity" section of this post

Fallible

Editing the html then taking a screenshot of the post to say "I'm saying exactly that no callout has validity"

In reply to post 542730:

Sabella the Gaytur

nelson_ha_ha.png

In reply to post 525890:

alex tax1a

mulch 'em

Talen Lee

you can get prion diseases from the rich, and what's more, they're not vegan, so eating the rich is ableist,

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Now that's the kind of discourse we need on this here webbed site

Vergil

thanks for looking out for us

In reply to post 520900:

Nibble 🦄

Agreed.

Re: the community, yeah, the evangelism part of the community gets to be a bit much. I don't regret that there are people excited about Rust, and that there's a lot of activity in the ecosystem, but sometimes they don't know how to contain their excitement.

alexis

:( seems a bit harsh to say that.. in my (admittedly somewhat brief) experience with Rust, a simple program with a main function that contains no lines of code produced a 9 mb executable...

A program with an empty main function, 9 entire megabytes, with a LOT of cpu instructions and different functions contained within....

C does this with just 10.4kb, the vast majority being the executable header, and the actual assembly has only one CPU instruction, which is understandably, Return from function

(to be fair i don't think i used optimizing flags, but i didn't use optimizing flags for C during this test either, plus Rust seems to benefit from adding a lot of utility functions for itself in the assembly)

Rust is likely rather useful! But it can't quite replace C, as unfortunately I can't use Rust for embedded software development D: code needs to be small on tiny chips

(edit: i stand corrected! read comment replies)

alex tax1a

there is nothing inherent to rust that mandates this. you can use no_std and various bare declarations to get your code down to the embedded level, and still get all the benefits of the strong compile-time checks.

James Munns

Agreeing with atax1a: the majority of the larger rust binaries are usually mostly from:

  • debuginfo (run strip to verify)
  • Not running in --release mode, debug is default and much larger in generated code. Debug mode in rust is often many orders of magnitude slower/larger than even -O1, rust benefits heavily from inlining to remove certain abstractions, and more safety checks (integer over/underflow, etc.) are on by default in debug mode.
  • Not dynamically linking as heavily as C does with libc

In bare metal embedded, is it very possible to get a hello world blinky down to 100s of bytes, and reasonably full firmwares in 1-10KiB, especially if you avoid string formatting.

There are a couple of guides that talk about analyzing/removing the extra bytes, but usually they are there for convenience, or nice to have a: like backtraces/stack traces on panics.

dead flag blues custom stepmania chart

rust users try not to be insufferable about their choice of programming language challenge 2022 (IMPOSSIBLE) (NEVER BEFORE ATTEMPTED)

Sabella the Gaytur

so as someone that swears they will make time to learn some programming before they die, can I take what you have written here as an excuse to not even bother learning C/++ and just start with Rust and maybe pick up some Python too.

ceo of eurogaming

In general I would absolutely suggest learning something like Python or Rust before trying to learn C or C++. Ultimately though, the main thing you're trying to do is pick something which interests you long enough to learn. The actual language isn't that important so long as it brings you joy :)

alex tax1a

C should have remained an historical curiosity from the inside of bell labs, it should never have become the substrate upon which all of modern computing is based.

In reply to post 517427:

Ryusui

"And to be clear, Elon, you will lose, and you know it."

i would argue Elon is incapable of recognizing when he's lost but this one sentence is absolutely beautiful; the whole thing is beautiful

this entire letter has the energy of someone meticulously describing their one-turn-kill strategy as they execute it against an opponent who is known for simply eating cards off the table when he doesn't get his way ("-mouth stuffed- What Blue-Eyes White Dragon? I don't see no Blue-Eyes White Dragon!"), taking the time to explain why that isn't going to work this time, either

In reply to post 501190:

Sabella the Gaytur

the Seattle Freeze but tenderqueer.

In reply to post 500354:

🦦alice

"no thoughts, head empty" says the girl who makes a cursed cpu emulator in like three days...

In reply to post 485669:

Michaela Sue

I guess on the one hand ffmpeg can do just about anything, and yet I keep being surprised by the things it can be made to do by the kind of people who can make it do those things!

In reply to post 485621:

Talen Lee

oh wait, ffmPEG, right right nevermind

In reply to post 485614:

Michaela Sue

like mpv has an ascii-art output mode, there must be some good way to encode that...

Michaela Sue

"good way" was the wrong way to word that...

liffy 💜

https://ansi.moe

Michaela Sue

OK that's a thing. Wait, I'm supposed to have "docker" to build it? Like is this #dockerize me mommie 🥺

kore

hi, ansi.moe dev here! as lif said, it's just for cuda support since getting that to work on linux is a nightmare. if you don't care about it, it'll work just fine outside docker!

Michaela Sue

I think I got it to build but I don't know how to get it to do anything? Dunno, last time I was compiling stuff was messing with the Makefiles to get stuff written on Suns to compile on Linux!

mitsukichi

recreational constrained encoding is one of my old pasttimes i would love this

In reply to post 485200:

наб

no need to elaborate when youre just fuckin right

alex tax1a

cis people occasionally try and ask for elaboration

yuubi

are pdp11 and vax not quite cis then? they do similar with pc-is-a-register, except they do immediate word-size operands by an autoincrement-pc addressing mode followed by the immediate word instead of the "ldr r0,=0x12345678" => ldr r0,(pc+offset) and 0x12345678 goes into a literal pool out of line

alex tax1a

vax and pdp are definitely a little genderqueer yeah

In reply to post 477871:

alex tax1a

we are not fucking around here — https://support.usr.com/support/6000/6000-ug/two.html

dominic

wow, thanks for sharing

yuubi

"periodic maintenance" rhymes way too much with lte timing advance and power control (but not frequency; the lte mobile shall tx as if the rx frequency it sees were correct, so the base station sees doppler shift for both directions). do cable modems have so much mobility that they have to redo timing advance and precompensate for doppler?! (?!) some writeups of the corresponding lte parts: http://sharetechnote.com/html/Handbook_LTE_TimingAdvance.html http://sharetechnote.com/html/PowerControl_LTE.html

Pile Of Garbage

makes sense, was originally a medium for delivery of video

signal eleven

that makes a worrying amount of sense

luke k

wait, what?

alex tax1a

i think docsis 3 ended up being just like "fuck it, everything's gone ethernet", but, yeah, for docsis 1 and 2, your cable internet was just another TV channel to the guts of the cable company.

nys

this concept was so anathema to my brain it took 6 times to understand what it was saying. now i understand eldritch horrors causing loss of sanity

Rajel Aran

DOCSIS is fucking hilarious. I got to learn a bit about that at spectrum, and we did some really cool and hacky shit lol

Robin

MPEG as a container format should be called MPREG

Tangle Nathair

More than Pictures (Really!) Experts Group

Tangle Nathair

FOR A MOMENT I was like WHY, but then I remember that I only really learned what DOCSIS was around the time that 3.0 was being talked about, so the channels thing is now incredibly funny to think about

Yaodema

yeah that... that makes a lot of sense. sadly. because, unfortunately, cable companies

Ryusui

there are so many things that come down to "because, unfortunately, cable companies," aren't there

In reply to post 470324:

✨ aria (dub) | zeni(th)

'awoo' sign, showing a wolf howling 'awoo' sign, showing a wolf howling

this is cool! i can't figure out how to open the picker on cohost, or is that not actually a feature yet!

mint

Very cool!!!

mint

transgender flag

noah

@staff plz add plz plz plz

joXn

Cohost: the Rube Goldberg of CSS+HTML environments

Damien

smiley blowing a party blower while wearing a party hat

Dae the Dergbold 💜✨

aaaa- one question I have; would it be possible to have the option to use the SVG variants of the Mutant emojis so they stay pretty with any scaling? iirc cohost treats SVGs exactly the same as raster images, so theoretically it wouldn't be tooo difficult? pleading

jae

this kicks ass and has me thinkin about adding at least some of the mutant standard emoji to our custom set............

one suggestion: in html mode, you should consider setting the height to var(--emoji-scale), which we calculate for our own custom emoji to have their sizes visually match up with how your browser renders native emoji! (for example, on windows 11 firefox it's set to 1.4em). obvs optional but something to consider!

noah

Can i donate to bump the priority of this ticket in your jira/trello/post it notes board?

frankie boyle's beanbag chair of death

For whatever reason I can't seem to get the CTRL+. shortcut to work on linux mint + firefox, i'm baffled, any idea what I could be doing wrong here?

edit: actually it doesn't work on windows either? maybe its a greasemonkey problem.

edit 2: yes it was a greasemonkey problem, if you are having trouble like i was, use tampermonkey instead.

shuppy

so i use afraid.org which is super reliable, but that doesn't support CNAME entries

you probably already know this, but just in case, did you know you can do CNAME records if you use afraid’s secondary service with your own primary? (also works with he.net’s secondary)

amgg

ooooh this is super cool!

one little note - when it tries to load the emoji data tampermonkey will pop up with an "A userscript wants to access a cross-origin resource" page the user needs to manually accept, you can add a connect to the metadata block (@connect lxhom.github.io) to prevent that

also it seems to be broken on greasemonkey (happens a lot, usually it's caused by how they sandbox scripts), I'll see if I can get it working on there

Izvy Raspberry

ive never used a user script before. google says i can just drag and drop the javascript file into extensions set to developer mode but it doesnt seem to be working weary

Paige

Oh wow, this is so cool! I was just the other day wishing I could use Mutant Standard on here! Thanks so much! :D

Hâlian the Protogen

raised paw hands (light sky blue)

Emily the Flareon

No regular paws (non-hands)?

shork

reminder that mutant standard is cc by-nc-sa so you gotta put attribution somewhere if you use it (see https://mutant.tech/download)

Literally Just Some Guy

winking smiley Nice!

Maverynthia

This seems to pop UNDER the cohost post box so you can't pick anything without leaving the post.

In reply to post 465345:

gnar

the ultimate in environmental storytelling

In reply to post 463692:

Jeran

i once witnessed a rendering bug where all the shadows went TOWARDS the light source, and i simply cannot for the life of me figure out how they managed to bug something like that so hard.

signal eleven

flipped signs when computing against the surface's normal probably

In reply to post 462204:

Ghostpaw Snowmiaux

I couldn't think of a piece of test equipment chonk enough to do the 'andre has a posse' bit with

yuubi

that instrument has sorta "dollar grilled cheese" vibes. "if you want a vertical amplifier, go someplace that sells amplifiers".

es

wow these photos are extremely pretty!! i'm really into how both illustrative and dramatic the lighting is in photo #2

Charlotte the Useless Ghost

the thing looks like a small particle accelerator

Beb

I mean kinda?

In reply to post 462183:

flora

the "beige, dark grey, red, and teal" era was seriously peak test equipment aesthetic

In reply to post 457413:

Pat

That bug is wicked

natescape navigator

shaduos

Pat

Oh dang that's the wordplay I've been trying to think of for the last hour. <3

Kate

fix: add an extra sun

Myoukochou

The real galaxy brain idea 🌌 🧠

Amy Dentata

^ now that's what i call game dev

In reply to post 452684:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

And like, it's not even as true as people who say that contend which is the ridiculous thing, people are just fine with eg Discord "servers"

engineeredd

Tentatively agree, but I think it's also a generational thing here? Discord is a lot more niche and I think used by younger people, especially in relation to streamers (talking about "everyday people" here).

I did see a semi-viral tweet of a person saying that she's "not going to join a Mastodon 'server', whatever that is." The smartphone era + the internet becoming Google/Facebook/Twitter did a lot of damage to tech literacy.

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I mean there's lots of older folks I know that still have ISP email addresses, half the people my age have proton, riseup and/or company addresses, I don't really put a ton of stock in someone's clout-chasing Twitter post as a bellwether.

engineeredd

In some sense I think it's less to do with somebody's age, than with when they started to really interact with computers. Of course that people who were on the internet from its early or earlyish days are very likely to be tech savvy, or at least to have a perspective on things that wouldn't make them struggle with these ideas. But there's still a generational corelation (a zoomer can't have been of Compuserve).

I agree with OP. Especially with

and in both cases the solution is not avoiding trying it, it’s education and access

I just don't think Discord servers are that good of an example?

ash

i think it says something that people believe these sorts of posts are useful for clout-chasing, if you get what i mean. there's definitely a sort of "expecting people to learn anything about computers is techbro behavior" sentiment i've seen

colin

yeah arguably a bigger problem than federation itself is the fact that there's a canonical instance of mastodon called mastodon.social and (presumably mostly because of practical considerations, because eugen isn't made out of domain registrations) no attempt was made to park mastodon.[every gTLD other than .social]

colin

I know people who are on mastodon.social, mastodon.xyz, mastodon.lol, and mstdn.social, among likely many other ma?sto?do?n.whatevers, and none of these are the same instance

engineeredd

Spent half an hour trying to get a friend to understand that mastodon.social isn't (or isn't supposed to be, at least) the main or official or primary mastodon server with the others being strange offshoots, but I gave up because we were going in circles.

In reply to post 447994:

jae

the informal DDOS aspects here are especially interesting. a known problem we have is that we don’t have a fast path for opengraph scrapers (legitimately difficult to get the list of crawler useragents) and while all good implementations cache, the distributed nature of mastodon means that if someone shares a cohost link on mastodon, we immediately get DDOS’d by every single instance that saw that post.

during heavy load periods, we have to block traffic from mastodon user agents to prevent even further load. making opegraph faster is obvs a good solution here, the actual design of activitypub creates an issue for sites that don’t even use it!

sakiamu

It's kinda funny to me that OpenGraph doesn't get federated between servers as well.

I suppose the assumption is that that info should be fast.

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Good god, I hadn't thought about that but yeah, that's a nightmare too. I can... understand why that case wasn't considered in the design of the protocol but it's more evidence that ActivityPub really just isn't (in @atomicthumbs's words) fit for purpose at all because like the bounce attacks large networks DDOSing smaller ones by automated requests has been a known issue for ages. Opengraph requests should never have been implemented without shared caching in the first place and it's active malpractice that they were.

jae

yep!! it's kind of a mess!! although it did occur to me while i was writing the first comment that we could have a small list of user agents we actually cache dynamic pages for, which was easy to implement this morning and seems to be working, which is good! rubber duck debugging via comments.

In reply to post 446614:

luke k

i am still learning so many things, but was there a good reason why the repo had case-sensitive files? and was the secondary reason the ram disk was used to ensure the filesystem being run had support for case sensitive files, or do I misunderstand something?

alex tax1a

there wasn't a good reason for the repo having files whose names differed only by case, no.

the primary reason (unstated) that we checked it out onto a ramdisk was so that it went away when the power cut

you also have it correct that the second reason is to ensure the filesystem was case-sensitive. the developer laptops at twitter are macs, OS X installs to a case-insensitive FS, but you can format individual volumes as case-sensitive. we had a little script for our fish shell that did all of this setup and checked out the repo.

In reply to post 444592:

signal eleven

i'm curious who and where is the "we" and "over here" in your exposition!

also yeah when it comes to fedi and act. pub, eyebrow height is a linear function of knowledge acquired it seems

alex tax1a

we are the we, and "over here" is "in our head"

gull *Plus!*

i think i once heard the phrase "'may' means 'will not' when it counts"? which is about right i think

Tamber

Christ, yeah... I looked at standing up my own mastodon server a few years back and decided I wanted no part of that.

It's a towering clusterfuck of stuff and -- at least from my POV -- the attitude is "well, don't worry about all that, just run the docker container :)" which is all well and good for getting you set up to begin with, but setting something up for a month, and running&maintaining it for an extended period is absolutely two different things.

Maybe I'm just cynical about it, but I foresee a large number of the newest instances either giving up after a few months, or becoming painfully outdated & vulnerable because they're being run by people who just wanted to ~~grill~~ social media, rather than making server maintenance their full-time job.

Annie D

I think the people going "you can just run your own instance!" are also not really considering cost. You are not gonna run Masto on the free tier, the storage requirements alone will bite you, because they are constantly growing, forever. My DO hosting bill went from 5 to 30 bucks over the space of less than a year, and it would've ballooned even faster if I'd stayed on a relay.

And it can never go down, only up, because as far as I can tell there's no way to prune history, and your users would probably be upset if you did.

prehnra

The bit about having to maintain a bunch of dependencies is part of why I'm interested in checking out Pleroma. It's written in Elixir and so it doesn't have many external dependencies (iirc, just pg). BEAM is pretty good at handling caching, key-value, inter-node communication, pubsub, etc natively. Plus it's fast/efficient.

Bbbuuutttt the protocol is still the protocol of course

alex tax1a

pg is also not a small dependency, and it's one that we categorically refuse to stand up for a site smaller than the 1 physical body we have using the service.

over on fediverse - https://infosec.exchange/@atax1a/109400805323461898 -

what we would prefer is an activitypub instance that we can stand up like Fossil SCM — one binary, one database file, one run script in /service/activitypub, where you upgrade it by replacing the binary and kicking the service over. gotosocial looks like it is approaching that, but also we have no interest in doing free labor by maintaining alpha software.

tedunangst's honk is the closest available thing to what we're describing, but, again, the protocol on one hand, and alpha software on the other.

In reply to post 441101:

X

also god fuckin help you if you deviate from the main branch at all. really easy to go "oh i'll just add this little customization tweak" and congratulations, now you aren't just an sre, you're also a code maintainer and developer

наб

mastodon this federation that we need to get people back on mailing lists. too me. of course that would require people to use muas that don't sap their will to live so its a non-starter but. "lets pokemon go to the MX!!" or "she 450 on my MAIL FROM til i retry!!" maybe. all in all, facebook and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

alex tax1a

imo gooble finished the job of ruining email that microsoft started with outlook

but christ on a cracker, the AP protocols were very clearly designed by people who tried to reinvent twitter if it worked like email, while understanding neither twitter, nor email

and now we have this dude in our mentions insisting that it's fine that the "shared inbox" delivery aka "fanout that isn't dogshit" is an optional part of the spec, because all the Big Implementations do it

наб

completely unrelated because             yeag       , you're right, but idk if youve ever tried to send/relay mail from exchange^Wmicrosoft "mail" products but its a fun three hours and a JVM you're running forever; sometimes interactively (X11 only! IIRC) forever if you need 2FA; very cool for your entire organisation's mail notification infra (this was part of a move from self-hosting mail to institutional O365, natch). idk what microsoft was smoking when they made a system entirely parallel feature-wise to mail and entirely unrelated to mail that only incidentally interacts with mail (well, okay, yeah, i do know, but)

Rev. Dr Five Baker

okay but genuinely: the antidote to all current web bullshittery is to go back to irc, usenet, mailing lists and gopher

they weren't broke and we never should have attempted to fix them

fictive

this is also i think a large part of why mastodon ends up with a lot of what on the outside looks extremely like "got mine, fuck you" to a newcomer, with lots of instances that seem cool but are closed for new activations and stuff. half the time its because the server literally cannot keep up with the load of any more users. and a lot of the time its because the server moderation team doesnt have the energy to moderate the server, because they're spending all their energy trying to keep the software working at all

fictive

technical issues is also a lot of what keeps people from running their own matrix server. everyone who has ever considered hosting a matrix server has either made the mistake of joining a large channel and DoSing themselves in the process, or knows someone who has. matrix just fucking breaks down whenever you have big rooms, to the point where there's a setting in Synapse to prevent random users from joining rooms above a certain "complexity" level (which is just a count of how many event state change messages have been sent in the room since the beginning of time, or since time period, i forget which), so your users cant accidentally break your server. i still use matrix for some things because it has properties that are useful, but like the set of things matrix is technically competent at and the set of things IRC is technically competent at are two circles with almost no overlap.

In reply to post 438370:

graham

I wonder if there's an equation in polar coordinates that makes use of the old pi to make a pointy cardioid shape that looks like that heart?

emily flowers

this new flag looks awesome, hell yeah

eblu

this is a REALLY good flag, I love it when pride flags break the "it's just vertical bars" convention

Silver Stars

oohhh super cute!! i never could bring myself to use the old polyam flag but this i can work with

Paige

Interesting! I didn't hear about this until I happened across your post, but I do agree: this design is far superior to any of the others I have seen~

olus2000

I will miss the infinity heart. Can I see the other designs voted on anywhere? I can't find them on the polyamproud site.

Moth

I liked the infinity heart too... I used to use the one with the pink heart/blue infinity on a white circle on a blue/pink/very-dark-blue background. It was the only one I've found really aesthetically appealing.

Moth

The yellow and white makes me think "fried egg" and the offset chevron is weirdly upsetting. Was the one with the infinity heart on a white circle with the light-blue/hot-pink/dark-blue palette not available to vote for? This one's more aesthetically pleasing than most, but that's not a hard bar to clear. The only one I can really say I liked was the one I just mentioned.

ira 🌷🐰

They laid out their reasons not to use the ininity heart - It's not just a poly thing, it gets used by christian groups as well, and they wanted something poly-only (ironic). https://www.polyamproud.com/post/what-does-the-infinity-heart-signify

In reply to post 430197:

finny

taking some ghost hits

In reply to post 426662:

Ecter B.

Holy mspaint, that's good!

phantasmagoria of animegirl view

ooohhh this gives me an idea

Upthorn

that's sofa king amazing!

dracinna

this feels very cozy, great work 💐

gay

this goes unbelievably hard

chase without clout

when people make shit in mspain and it does not look bad that is how you know they are great artists

Wishdream

Gosh, it's strange to see people having lovely art in MSPaint in general. The fact you also animated this in MSPaint also just gives me so much amazement

Jama

Incredible

erysdren

gorgeous piece of art!

Maplestrip

This is gorgeous! Did you use Paint's limited inbuilt transparancy system to move the land out of the way in order to draw each frame of the waves "below" it, or did you use a different tool for that?

VAdaPEGA.Art

Yup, still got the version without the water as a separate file.

In reply to post 425425:

Nire Bryce

seems like perhaps that's not a bad thing in this case

In reply to post 422876:

Vikxin

The only thing that left me unsatisfied was how many things I had to click through that told me things I'd already observed about the code.

In reply to post 422290:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I am not unsatisfied but I am extremely mad at this

bark. bark bark

many types of confusing bit swapping and byte wiggling and xor jiggling have made this just Boring in comparison, to me

-3dB engineer

i-

In reply to post 408462:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Oh this is hell and I am amused as fuck

lea

What we're banking on one of the Audubon certs expiring before they manage to turn Puppet writes back on

Is it likely? Do the certs have a relatively short validity or is there a different reason?

alex tax1a

we don't remember their exact validity period, we're just chaotic

In reply to post 402806:

Sherliz Holmes

my favorite part is how it's app-only so there's not even a gauzy veil over the fact that it basically exists to harvest data beyond what you choose to post on there

Gabu!! ☁️ ΘΔ

i've seen multiple people post about how their account was "disabled for suspicious activity" after creating a new account and someone in the comments helpfully pipes up with that the only way to solve it was "i just had to add my phone number to my accounts and it was all good, nothing wrong at all :)"

it's so obvious that it's just a data harvest lmao

Obspogon

the signs are off by default. at least for me it was

walking mirage

i shall correct the post

xXSC33N3QU33NXx

tf is hive and why do i keep hearing about it?

lyra

yeah like. i have heard nothing about it before today and now i am hearing from everywhere people are talking about hive. is this like some kind of irl brainwashing hive and it just got to everyone today.

Renpona

p sure they dropped big bucks on an viral marketing campaign. lotta people pushing Hive with terms like "influencer" or "PR/marketing" in their bios

Adam

no the vibes are bad there I do not like it

Cass

Bc I chose LGBTQ+ as an interest, the first posts it recommended are unsolicited dick pics so yeah it’s pretty bad and I scooted right outta there

in tuft we trust

lol that's SO bad

walking mirage

WOW

Cass

Apparently multiple users can have the same username as well, so even making an account to avoid squatting is useless. I have no idea what the appeal of Hive is - it looks like a superwholock of socmed apps thrown into a blender.

Kafouille

Hah, the star sign field is literally one of the 3 features judged important enough to get a little dedicated card right on the homepage. And not only app only, but took 3 years to put out an Android app.

Justus

This has already existed for three years??? I assumed this was a brand new operation that popped up to capitalize on Twitter melting down, given that I had never heard of it before two days ago.

rose

their website is intensely & mesmerizingly generic 2022 vc backed startup snapstokgramlike. they have fucking microtransactions for playing music on your profile like that wasn't free and annoying on so many websites a decade+ ago. the fact that on top of all that they have an astrology field for your profile puts them squarely in the 'incites terrorist urges' category of capitalist ventures

muln

it smelled weird from the design even just when i landed on their homepage

Sabo

yeah this is one of those things I do not understand. mastodon is a stupid concept but at least I get why people want to make it work... hive is just a data harvester full of stan tweeters

Julian

It's so weird. I never heard of it two days ago, and now a lot of people made the jump (or at least made an account.). Cohost and Mastadon appeared more gradual, I feel.

I guess what the difference is, is that Hive does look a lot like Twitter on the surface. But I don't know if I'd want to subscribe to the exact same thing again, wouldn't it make the same mistakes further down the line too?

In reply to post 399273:

cat kouhai*.txt

there's something to be said about "model minority status" and passing (for respectable, or otherwise)

hm.

In reply to post 391935:

walking mirage

mariovania

In reply to post 391916:

nog (alternative form)

bloodstuck.

Mark

Vriska is the tragic waif whose hand you hold to level up

In reply to post 387722:

Just Another Apocryphal Mess

I had an ISP in mid-90s where I could, in fact, do just that. I also had a shell, so it was a bit different from your typical ISP, but it was definitely a thing.

alex tax1a

in early 200x we got hired at our hometown ISP as tech support and started messing around with linux, ended up converting their mailserver from windows to postfix, set up spam filtering, etc. A couple of our users needed linux for websites too, so we set up a webserver too. Of course, we were also a teenager in high school at the time, with unmedicated ADHD and no comprehension of gender/dysphoria, so it was (like us, per Conway's Law) kind of a mess.

In reply to post 387594:

walking mirage

did AIM let you apply buffs and debuffs to other users

alex tax1a

the warn button was a debuff, it lowered your rate limit, if you were warned to 100% you couldn't post

In reply to post 377820:

✨ aria (dub) | zeni(th)

holy fuck horgsville is blessed

colin

I refuse to believe horgsville is a real place

✨ aria (dub) | zeni(th)

ooo fenret do you know what that's worth, oooo horgsville is a place on earth

i love craigslist

I'm omw.

Nero

yoink ! !

Sredni Vashtar

Baby! .w.

In reply to post 370561:

Livyataan Tiamat

oh my gosh i really love this. not even just making your life in the wrecked postapocalypse but building all the things needed for joy in that life despite how long it's been... wonderful

Wintergreen

this one aspires to be lemon bars doll

Livyataan Tiamat

at this point one of my main thoughts when i think about relatively-deep time, after 'i wonder whether the mountains in the twice-crumpled remains of the tethys ocean will be taller than those in the crumpled remains of the red sea, or those in whatever the mess made when australia comes to a crushing halt is called', is lemon bars doll. thank you wintergreen

Wintergreen

she really wants those lemon bars. would that it had such focus itself

In reply to post 356370:

yana

what book was this jack? I've been wanting new books

Jack de Quidt

name of the rose, by umberto eco!

MolluskGoneBad

If you haven't read it yet, "The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana" has the adjacent "Dusty volumes rediscovered in the attic" thrill!

alex tax1a

— Jorge Luis Borges

In reply to post 345749:

🦦alice

yup, as i stated elsewhere on the speculation of the matter "cold starts for services like this will take hours if all the operational knowledge is there and there is a rehearsed written-down plan. but in the current reported state of things, most of that is non-existent so there's little hope of a successful cold start"

In reply to post 342019:

🦦alice

at this point i don't think the site will be up long enough for him to ban you.

In reply to post 334519:

Sebastian Faura

Cuban Pete Inspirational Posts

Amy Dentata

im fucking dying over here

Amy Dentata

imm still fucknng dying over here

Sid Menon

TWO yellowcakes

Chamomile🐑

This follow-up joke deserves more recognition

chakan

they were blown away

In reply to post 322642:

Mateus Auri

I have a vague memory of someone doing the same thing a few weeks later but with "el wiwi" and this image el wiwi but a few days later, the image was retroactively swapped for gay porn on every tweet that was made by clicking the el wiwi button

or something like that

In reply to post 316154:

Sabella the Gaytur

I need help with both of these things please. what is going on with the fediverse, and what happened when Orkut got a brazillion Brazilians.

In reply to post 314887:

all-ice...?

it doesnt help that it feels like google's algorithms somehow changed for the way worse in the last few years? i remember being able to successfully dig around for still-alive links to some hella obscure software/game iso's and stuffs like, five years ago, but trying to find some of those files again recently just lead me to a bajillion weird fake scam pages seemingly generated from my search keywords??? it's like search results for anything old/that isn't extremely mainstream is just, banished now, and only garbage results remain 😩

Pendell

I'm not sure if it was Google's algorithms changing or their algorithms not changing enough. It seems to me the scummiest of the scum broke Google's algorithms apart entirely and created websites that generate SEO sludge to boost to the top of search results and flood users with ads to make quick cash without providing any useful information. This mostly benefits Google as they're the ones serving the ads, so they probably have little to not motivation to fix it. The algorithms didn't change, it stagnated and got choked out by Capitalism, as usual.

In reply to post 314337:

Twilight Sparkle

very old firefox versions (even when it was called firebird back then!) are still up on https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/

snow

From my experience, your best bet is usually the Wayback Machine. I've spent hours tracking down links that work just to get one version though, so not necessarily the most efficient :s

In reply to post 311374:

nora

I'm making it about me because you took, verbatim, a post of mine, without discussing it with me, and subposted me here. Am I out of line to think that's somewhat inconsiderate? Is the expectation that I don't defend myself just because you didn't put my name on it?

alex tax1a

you're recentering our criticism of conflict-avoidant personal-comfort-preserving white culture as though it's a personal attack against you personally, so, yes, you're a little out of line.

ash

alex, you know i like you, but I think if you are literally quoting someone's specific words then, even if your post is about the culture, it is also about that specific person, and if your criticism doesn't apply to that person, it's reasonable for them to be upset regardless of whether that criticism is correct in general

Vyr

this ain't it, chief

In reply to post 291704:

recursive

human centipede of microservices ROTFL

In reply to post 284343:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I never knew this until just now and that's a phenomenally weird/cool processor feature but: You're absolutely right.

alex tax1a

we normally do the '"will you elaborate on that?" (david lynch voice) no' bit because everyone we tell this to seems to immediately Get It

In reply to post 281031:

Nire Bryce

wretch host

Stuart P. Bentley

the latter

In reply to post 276612:

Rev. Dr Five Baker

god i kinda hope if twitter fails, it remains online, just broken beyond recognition, struggling to have its features work

like a long-abandoned plot of land on second life or some shit

tef

Complex systems run in degraded mode.

A corollary to the preceding point is that complex systems run as broken systems. The system continues to function because it contains so many redundancies and because people can make it function, despite the presence of many flaws. After accident reviews nearly always note that the system has a history of prior ‘proto-accidents’ that nearly generated catastrophe. Arguments that these degraded conditions should have been recognized before the overt accident are usually predicated on naïve notions of system performance. System operations are dynamic, with components (organizational, human, technical) failing and being replaced continuously.

From https://how.complexsystems.fail/

It's just, twitter was always broken? Missing notifications, missing replies. Tweets that couldn't be liked. Popular tweets just vanishing and reappearing.

I'd say the difference now is that we're looking for it, but really, twitter went from midly jank to extremely jank in the space of a week

in tuft we trust

this feels like one of those things that, to me, will be like a loss nearly equal in magnitude to losing a friend or loved one.

there are "alternatives" but the thing itself the way it was is irreplaceable. and it's never going to come back the way it was. and communities will be split once more and just by the time they've recovered it just happens again

you might think "wow tit this is a lil dramatic isn't it" but as someone whose entire online presence is twitter, along with ALL my friends being there, it just hurts, a lot

walking mirage

yeah.

Interurban Era

It really was its own zeitgeist, wasn't it? It's so weird that it was also rather unique in its format and never successfully imitated, but people made it what it was, for better and worse. It was so fun making a variety of friends on there, and thankfully quite a few of them I was able to meet IRL.

Tamber

I don't think it's overly dramatic at all, tbqh;

It's so depressing to see communities scattered like this over and over, from having one large collective place with really good discoverability to ... hundreds or thousands of smaller fragmented instances a la mastodon where if you're lucky you can reconnect with parts of those communities; or, worse still, fragmented instances a la people's discord servers, where they effectively just disappear.

And, yeah... yeah... as soon as things start to feel like they've stabilised again -- or at least, just stopped actively collapsing -- another service decides they're going to shut down, or gets bought out and everything gets tipped over again, or they decide they're going to do crypto bullshit, or...

I'm so tired of it all. Hoping like hell that cohost has the staying power, but only time will tell.

Joel Krampus Meador

agreed. I am sort of enjoying the dumpster fire but also I'm an android and part of my brain is twitter, so if it's gone (actually, or substantially diminished) I just lose a part of myself irrevocably

bitmapper

you fucked me up so hard with reading those lyrics in the tags while i was listening to Silver Mt Zion

Hello, yes, this is Gregly!

Twitter is rapidly becoming the “dying mall” of social networking sites. Anchors are pulling out, the fountains have been shut off, the plants are withering and brown, and all but one escalator (going down) is blocked off with an “Out of Order” sign.

moby dickgirl

I've got my long-form writing out. There's some livetweets I wrote, but given the current rate of decay, I'm not gonna be able to get them out in time.

I'm anxious and a little teary. I've retreated to watch from a safe distance, but I don't know what any of this means. I wish I did.

Luisf

Peter Gabriel's More Than THis seems appropriate

"It started when I saw the ship go down I saw them struggle in the sea And suddenly the picture disappears In front of me Now we're busy making all our busy plans On foundations built to last But nothing fades as fast as the future And nothing clings like the past, until we can see"

"More than this It's coming through And more than this I stand alone and so connected And I'm all there Right next to you"

"Oh then it's alright When with every day another bit falls away Oh but it's still alright, alright, alright And like words together we can make some sense"

Shel

Oh I should go get my archive while I still can shit

rizoma

I used to be obsessed with Portal 2's aperture. This gives a similar feeling.

ash?!

this shit hurts, man.

Froey

It's sad, but that site went from being a dumpster fire to a complete forest fire.

Irenes (many)

oh absolutely. a long long time ago we once shared a version of that observation in an undergrad psychology paper, and got extra credit for it.

In reply to post 262671:

silby

rip in pip

In reply to post 249988:

Ada Worcester

I for one am very excited!

In reply to post 240290:

wray

that fucks. i have a few books on chaos theory thanks to my bf and have been looking for a reason to crack them open

alex tax1a

chaos theory is neat but we were talking about chaos magic theory

In reply to post 235513:

Gay Eminem on 9/11

oh yeah that shit is miserable

In reply to post 235426:

Dabo

Thank you for this!

I think I could definitely be/become part of the problem here; I don't have a good grasp on the culture of toxic positivity besides vibes, and my summary here of "positivity at all costs" is lacking to say this least. I tried to find the cohost post that I remember regarding toxic positivity, but I hadn't shared it, and haven't yet found it.

Definitely going to sit on the ideological roots you've mentioned. I can kind of see it - I know fascism flourishes in environments where decorum and niceness are put as the one-and-only value, and that does feel similar to what I know of toxic positivity. Not exactly the same: the stuff I've seen that I'd call toxic positivity has always felt deeper than niceness - like, people would be willing to lie to themselves completely for the sake of imagining a good situation, whereas decorum feels like a thinner looks-only value system.

I don't think I'm actually adding anything here; I'm just thinking out loud in your comments 😅. I don't have the firsthand experience with this that it feels like you're speaking from.

Gay Eminem on 9/11

No, it's totally fine! Like I can spout socialist theory until I'm blue in the face (which is really what this is) but things have to be meaningful or I'm just talking to myself. The reason I equate toxic positivity with good vibes only or the American social standard "don't talk about politics or religion" is that they're all effectively masking the same basic issues in very similar ways, and this is kinda what I wase trying to drive at, that avoiding conflict for the sake of keeping "drama" down is always harmful and it provides an easy route for bad actors to take hold, and this is how you get the nice, polite suit and tie fash. I don't disagree that these things are different but they're manifestations of the same or similar harmful impulses, if that makes sense.

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Osmose

I think ultimately that there will be some level of toxic subcultures present on cohost, but without a global feed people will be better equipped to maintain more healthy subcultures among their friends and tags.

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joXn

I would put it: safety isn't a property of spaces, or of people, of even of communities, it's a property of behaviours. People's feeling of safety on the site is always a matter of how the community is behaving now, (as well as its recent track record); there's no resting on our laurels.

Chaia Eran

THIS.

JP

good, important stuff to be talking about. one thing about "safety" when we're not talking about the most fundamental, purely physical definitions is that it depends on shared sense of norms and values. there are some topics and modes of behavior that consenting adults engage in and consider safe, even safety-affirming (because they feel free and comfortable enough) that other adults find inherently unsafe. how do you square those differences in norms? content warnings as a deep, platform-level feature are obviously a great tool for that particular case, but there are no silver bullets for these questions.

ultimately it's up to the site's owners and all of us using it to collectively shape those shared norms and values, reiteratively, forever - "working to keep them so" as you put it. i signed up here last june largely because i trusted the ASSC folks and liked what people were posting and the general vibe, and i've continued to do so as it's grown.

and yeah i think "good faith engagement is the default" is a shared value that this site currently has that twitter very much doesn't. and i think the main difference is that twitter, as a capitalist enterprise that wants only to grow and profit infinitely and harvest ever more data etc etc, never wanted to be seen as having values of its own, because it might be forced to stand by those values in a way that loses it money. ASSC has a major leg up in that regard because they're not trying to scale to 1 billion users or whatever.

Xoey

Thank you for putting into words something that I have struggled to: "there are some [...] modes of behavior that consenting adults [...] consider safe, even safety-affirming, that other adults find inherently unsafe". It's kinda like the issue where making something accessible for one group makes the same thing inaccessible for another. I can't think of any good examples rn but a contrived example is that the tactile pavement bumps for vision-impaired folks could be a trip hazard for someone on roller-blades.

moby dickgirl

Mastodon is having this same discourse right now, partly because a lot of the existing pre-Twitter-Migration userbase are techno-optimists who are absolutely convinced that Mastodon's design and existing community norms inherently deflect and dispel abuse, and they're currently getting Eternal Novembered

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Sabella the Gaytur

please tell all the twitter stories your NDA will allow, I have my popcorn at the ready.

alex tax1a

we didn't sign an NDA when we quit, so, uh, what are they gonna do, fire us again?

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fi

You kind of are, but that's not a -bad- thing

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Cow Mom

I do like how your posts update in real time when you edit them. I saw this change slightly as I was reading it and thats very nice

walking mirage

wow, I had no idea that'd show up without a refresh! I love that

dead flag blues custom stepmania chart

tldr; lurk moar, newbies

walking mirage

less "lurk moar", more "turn inwards and examine the self and one's patterns moar"

Ada Worcester

The #1 thing I’ve noticed here is that there’s way more space to share things that are fun or make you happy here. The engagement doesn’t reward you unconditionally so you gotta get your own dopamine.

I really need to figure out the new shitposting meta; the power of in-post CSS really changes the game.

an aeg

hell yea, this elucidates a feeling i didn't even really realize i was having

Alioth Fox

The engagement doesn't reward you unconditionally so you gotta get your own dopamine.

Holy shit, what a great way of putting it. I love that. That said, the "new shitposting meta" seems to be making fun (in a light-hearted way, not a mean-spirited way) of Eggbug, from what I've seen.

Joshua Vaughan

Well said, and I hope to maintain the spirit of this post as well.

Félix

I agree to all. This is a very thoughtful place 💖

Also: as long as the mint stays in containers 🤣 I see you have had the experience of mints attempting to (and sometimes succeeding) to conquer everything as well x3

alan

This is such a warm and thoughtful post. Thanks.

Shel

That Aaron Bady thread is funny to me because so much of Twitter culture came from a gradual SomethingAwful exodus and everyone who was on SA absolutely carried with us all the best SA in-jokes like "do you have stairs in your house" and the fucked up house and [USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST]. People still love all the old emoticons and bring them with them everywhere. They're like old recipes scrawled in cursive yiddish that your grandmother tried her best to translate into English and maybe you have to tweak them because it's easier to get beef than goat here and not everywhere sells buckwheat grout but you make do.

Nobody is going to forget about Meltdown May any more than HELLDUMP or TOXX; but just like how we grew out of HELLDUMB, we'll grow out of Meltdown May. We'll grow out of being antagonistic towards one another in the same way we grew out of being antagonistic towards ourselves in that goonish way of self-deprecation being seen as a virtue.

Panic! At The Opticon!

i am upset i cannot re-post a comment, this is a great one.

my only add here is: i hope for once we have finally Created A Website that isn't goonish, channer, nor twitter or tumblr.

this place needs to be a fourth site, and something where we leave the unhealthy of our adolescence-of-past baggage at the door.

iangmorris

i can't say this website is free but this website is worth paying for

Stephen

I haven't figured out what I'm going to use here for outside of casual reviews of stuff I like, since that takes a while to write and I don't want to just be posting once a month or whatever, but once I get into a rhythm of it I suspect I'm going to be using here more and twitter less even if by some miracle the bird survives.

Joseph

I love this sentiment so much!

Alioth Fox

I saw someone post here and said, "If you are coming here from Twitter, please do not act like a Homeowner's Association." I think that's a great way to put it.

I like the vibe I see here, and I really hope that the site thrives and that it gets through its growing pains without too much heartache. I definitely want to get a premium subscription here if the vibe stays like it is right now - I would really love to see this site succeed.

Trev

Y'know, something else about this occurs to me: in addition to not "dunking", we should make more liberal use of comments just... y'know... for the sake of commenting and engaging. You can't like replies, and the number of likes and shares on the original post isn't visible, which means ratios aren't a thing here. And that's good - too many of us got wrapped up in that kind of "engagement" on twitter.

walking mirage

I agree with this comment.

Graft

I do find myself increasingly 'browsing' here more often. I read, I scan, I spend time actually 'engaging' instead of trying to actively trying to manuever with constant mental spam that starts to turn into a downward spiral of noise. It's taking time to wean myself away from twitter's patterns and behavioral manipulation, but it's slowly getting there.

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Tim Chevalier

Tag yourself, I’m total disintegration of bodily functions

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Joel Krampus Meador

excellent analogy thx

muln

it might die eventually but i feel like before that it'll spend a long time in a zombie state like drawception its head admin led a large community exodus in 2018 by entirely removing offtopic section of the forums (but later reinstalling it but with pre-removal threads lost to history) and changing the very lax moderation into a true 00s post in wrong section thread locked user banned experience and the site itself has been constantly breaking in the last year to the point where you couldn't play games for months (and STILL games have no thumbnails and pages take long to load) and yet somehow it's still alive

living in 16QAM

and Elon pulled out the filters at the top of the stacks just to admire the fact that the pile keeps running without them in place

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Razetime ⟨ரகு⟩

can't wait for a cohost client in Factor

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Luisf

yup

yuuup

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ur bff jll

not only is it an electron app, they didn't even remove the part of the web browser that prevents your display from sleeping if it's showing video, which is apparently triggered by .gifs 🙀

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Siërra R., "Botfly Mother "Inhaling The Sodium Vapors""

its just a bit annoying on a mobile browser

Gay Eminem on 9/11

I mean I could pretty literally slop together an unofficial app tomorrow but literally all it would be is something that loads an Android WebView and loads cohost.org into it, just as the twitter app does. What's the annoying part you want to see alleviated?

Siërra R., "Botfly Mother "Inhaling The Sodium Vapors""

theres a bit of bad UI on the mobile site, you have to scroll past the sidebar to get to the posts, but really its having to treat cohost as a Different Thing than the rest of the websites on ur phone is just annoying. its annoying having to use the web browser to launch something instead of launching it like an app. you can do the "make an icon for a link" thing and that works but thats an extra step that you have to know is a thing you can do beforehand. and it just being a tab is annoying too, a webview app would be better because it launches a new browser instance more or less. you wouldnt have to go find the tab to open it again if you opened another tab. switching apps is easier than switching tabs. the UX of a browser page is just generally worse than a simple webview app ime

Shiny Quagsire

Twitter is native (or at least partially is, stuff like reporting Tweets goes to a WebView). Unless it's some React Native amalgam I guess, but when I was looking at TwiFucker to remove sports from the trending tab, it was hooking Json parsers in Java.

sleepiest queer in vol'dun 🦊💤

pinning the website as an iOS desktop application is working fine. but some kind of push (or even just occasional auto-checking) notes would be great

woolen arc now

I'd at least like a little scalability for mobile on the website.

Literalchemy

on mobile the sidebar loads above the content, if i could hide the sidebar and just have it pop out of a menu or some shit it would be fine to me, but as it is, its annoying.

Gay Eminem on 9/11

yeah 100%, the menu at the top is the only part of the mobile browser UI that really bugs me.

wheany

That should be a fairly easy fix with a bit of html and css to make it collapsible and sticky. I've already seen someone post a piece of css to make it sticky (if you use some kind of a user stylesheet extension on a browser)

gnar

as a person who never uses apps for soc med if i can help it: why do people want an app for twitter or youtube or any other social media site? i genuinely do not get the appeal of using an app over a website (cant have multiple tabs of the same site, cant switch between different sites quickly, no access to google if you want to google stuff, probably doesnt let you switch btwn portrait and landscape)

Gay Eminem on 9/11

There are legitimate arguments is the thing, this is why I've been trying to figure out why people are so intent on it. Like an app could leverage system intents for providing nicer interfaces to things like file pickers for uploading or a more featureful editor for posts. There's some QOL possibilities there. But it doesn't seem like anything people want out of an app:

a) Require one, or, b) Would actually be solved by one.

ash

in no particular order: you can't really do push notifications without an app (useful for conversations), having a separate app means it shows up separately in the app switcher (depending on the OS there may be OS-level 'treat this site as an app' thing), vibes, and the fact that in many cases the app is just straight up better than viewing the mobile website (youtube's mobile website suuucks)

Gay Eminem on 9/11

Okay but taking these in order:

  1. Not true, JS Notification API has first-class support on both iOS and Android,
  2. Legitimate QOL thing,
  3. k, can't really argue this one way or another,
  4. Not related to app or not app but to how the site is designed and set up. Youtube's browser UI sucks in mobile because they want you using the app.
invertigo hayfever

and with 4. the answer to why they want you using the app is almost always, irrespective of the app in question, that you can't adblock the app as easily

pearfalse

I’m grateful to iOS Safari for having native content blocking, but this is why I’m under no illusion that Apple truly has my best interests at heart. They’re letting me block ads so they can charge tech cos $99/yr for user tracking (a strategy i’ll coin ‘privacy-enforced racketeering’). I’m blocking ads because I want an ad-free web and do not care how many business models that destroys. We are not the same

ash

wait i didn't know that you could actually do push notifications in browsers, i thought that didn't exist. rad.

also re 4: partly that but some of it is more intrinsic. i remember the browser chrome getting in the way a lot of the time, but i don't have details offhand

Vyr

yeah Apple only added web push notifications to mobile Safari very recently but they should have existed in mobile Chrome for a bit now since it's basically a Google standard

gnar

hm, i can understand this for some apps then (twitter browser mobile is very keen on reloading the page at random and also causes some weird memory leak that makes it impossible to open apps),

Vyr

this isn't broadly true at all. the server-backed commercial apps that i've worked on all used native UI. React Native apps are popular with some bigcorps (Facebook, Discord) and they're janky for other reasons, but they also use native UI components, not webviews. Mastodon clients have to deal with arbitrary HTML, but the three that i've seen the source for (Amaroq, Mast, Metatext) do it by filtering the HTML to what they understand and translating that to native UI components, and don't use any kind of webviews except maybe for OAuth signin.

i agree that it's pointless to end up with a mobile app that's just a webview wrapper around the website, but personally i wouldn't cry if a Cohost app dropped arbitrary-markup support since i'm not really here for the CSS demoscene stuff. actually, it'd be a useful feature for me to strip excessively cute markup; web browser reader modes generally don't work on Cohost.

sweet little raquel

it's always fun seeing people find out about electron or webview

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Sabella the Gaytur

context on that eggbug?

alex tax1a

i mean we were going to add the cohost mascot, eggbug, as :‌eggbug: to the slack with no context just before quitting

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aster

this is very poetically and elegantly written. makes me reflect on computers and 10

It’s Joe!

Thanks!

ash

this is sick, is the deck for sale or is it a one-off?

It’s Joe!

I got this card as part of “The Alleyman’s Tarot”, which is a big grab bag of cards from a bunch of different sources - but I don’t know that this one comes from a deck that is available. @tambalaya certainly has other artwork on itch, though, including “DrawCircles” which might have been used to generate the image on the card.

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chaos gf

It’s gonna stop working and he’s not going to understand why. Also, hilariously, he will no longer be able to keep posting

egirlterra

He’s a fool that believes his own mythologizing. It’s true that bankrupting Twitter messes up trans community but he had a much more mundane plan for that

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Reid D. M.

lob themb

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𝖙𝖊𝖊𝖓 𝖒𝖊𝖙𝖍𝖚𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖆𝖍

You aren't allowed to post here until you've successfully cancelled a celebrity

hell's perfect idiot

👏

Rose

your posts have to be vetted by eggbug first

hell's perfect idiot

our motto here is: "trust the eggbug. love the eggbug. obey the eggbug"

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bcj

I feel like the octal is a clever representation and also I have to really slowly walk through it each time I see it to remember how to read it

alex tax1a

the following python 2 code in a python practicum in college got us called hacker by the guy teaching the thing, entirely as a compliment (the task was to implement ls -l)

def modestring(mode):
    """Given a mode number, return the type and read-write-execute status as in
    ls(1)"""
    # Set the type according to the S_IS* functions.
    if   S_ISDIR(mode): type="d"
    elif S_ISLNK(mode): type="l"
    elif S_ISCHR(mode): type="c"
    elif S_ISBLK(mode): type="b"
    else              : type="-"

    # Unpack each individual mode. We ignore the setuid bits. There is an
    # ordering here, and I abuse this fact instead of cascading over the
    # S_IS[UGO]* functions.
    (u, g, o) = (mode>>6, mode>>3, mode)
    MODESTRS = ("---", "--x", "-w-", "-wx",
                "r--", "r-x", "rw-", "rwx")
    # Use the low-order octal number in each of user, group, other perms as an
    # index into MODESTRS.
    return (type + "".join([MODESTRS[x&07] for x in (u,g,o)]))

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emily flowers

johnny mnemonic starring keanu reeves

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Plasma Ring

Thank you for writing this.

Kat A. Beckett

The last section here before the conclusion is so very true and so broadly applicable. Like, in this, as well as in conversations about prison abolition and even regular ol' "tough on crime" rhetoric, you'll often see rhetoric about what certain groups of people do or don't "deserve", and I always insist that it's not about what "abusers" or criminals "deserve", in some ways it's not about them at all, it's about outcomes. The simple fact of the matter is, rehabilitation is a better outcome for EVERYONE than escalation and recidivism

Shel

EXACTLY

AutHAMn Leaves

One thing i am interested in seeing explored is where does that impulse towards punishment, seeing people get "what they deserve", come from, and more importantly how do we curb that impulse on an individual and community level? Cuz we can rationally see that rehabilitation is a better outcome for all involved, but i think punishment has a very strong emotional pull for a large segment of people, even people who would call themselves prison abolitionists, that cant be undone simply through pure rationality. My best guess for the "where" is christian dogma about heaven and hell, but as to the "how to stop it" i have no clue.

joXn

I suspect that it’s more the negative framing that’s the problem — Americans (and Canadians, for the most part) really seem to hate it when they see people getting something they think they don’t deserve. Prisoners, of course, don’t deserve anything, but this attitude extends to social programs and disability accommodations as well. Americans would rather make a program more expensive to administer and gatekeep the fuck out of it than risk that anyone might “cheat” the system and get something they don’t deserve.

And the problem with grace and mercy is that, by definition, nobody deserves it. If you deserved it, it would be justice, not mercy.

Plasma Ring

This is on my mind a lot. One factor I'm not quite sure how to fully talk about yet is that it's much easier to think about something than to do it, but it's also easy to convince yourself that because something is possible to think about, it would also be possible to do. This is especially true when people are angry and hurt over real problems, because there are strong emotions involved in these discussions, and not a lot of energy or inclination to extend compassionate thought to someone you think is hateful.

I'm going straight to the extreme end of this line of thought because this is where I see people end up fairly quickly if they start thinking of people "getting what they deserve" in the abstract, and also because I happened to see another "All people who have committed [terrible crime] need to be wiped out and if this is a difficult concept for you, you don't care about protecting victims and you're not a real anarchist" post on another site.

I think a certain billionaire whose name rhymes with Melon Husk is repulsive and dangerous, and I have said at least once that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. But if he was actually on fire in front of me—if this was no longer a hypothetical situation, no longer about how his actions make me feel, but me watching a human being burn to death—I am pretty sure the only thing on my mind would be how to make it stop. Not because I suddenly found a wellspring of compassion for him or because I realized it was wrong to not care if he died or even because I suddenly decided he deserved to live, but purely—selfishly, even!—because watching someone suffer and die is horrible.

None of us know how we would really feel about being directly responsible for someone's suffering or death until it's too late to choose not knowing. This is probably true regardless of your starting point; any time I've been in a position to physically defend myself or someone else, what I did was the equivalent of shouting to scare off a mountain lion. Mountain lions are easily frightened, so are most humans, and I was betting someone would only be aggressive if they felt like they were in control. If they had called my bluff, I think I would have probably been completely fucked. I can't imagine actually hurting someone and I don't think I could do it. But I've never had to make that choice. A guy who buys a gun because he can imagine the exact actions he'd take to coldly execute anyone who threatened his family doesn't know he won't immediately puke and panic and need years of therapy after seeing what his bullet does to another person's body.

You can recruit otherwise peaceful people to a killing cause—war, fascism, even revolution—by convincing them they've been hardened against the enemy. They might actually be; I suspect it might feel similar either way because the emotion you're accessing for how you feel about that decision in advance is "this person deserves to die" and not "I wish I had never heard anyone make that sound." The people I might trust to make a killing choice haven't tried to banish their doubts about whether it should be done, and they're also the last people I would want to have to live with that.

To me, this is plenty of reason to avoid anyone being in that position and if I see a total lack of compassion toward that, or thoughtfulness and self-awareness characterized as cowardice or apologist behavior, I know who not to take seriously.

An unsettling number of people can imagine a world where we don't have prisons, we just very leftistly execute anyone who causes unforgivable harm. "Define unforgivable harm" and "explain how we know for sure they're guilty" doesn't seem to get anywhere, possibly because they came to this opinion thinking of cases where the injustice was obvious enough to draw a line anyone with good intentions can clearly see.

So I want to know who they're going to task with killing the people who deserve to die. If they plan to do it personally, I want to know who they expect to shoulder that burden if it turns out they don't have the same grim determination and motivating fury with their finger on a trigger that they do when they're scolding other people for being insufficiently radicalized.

If they can only answer that question in the abstract, and they can't envision the actual logistics of building, maintaining, and staffing their execution grounds, my conclusion is that people really will just be saying any old shit when it's not real.

AutHAMn Leaves

In spending 5 months looking for a roommate (i finally found one! Shes actually signing the lease this weekend!! Finally!!) I have now talked to soooo many people, mostly neurodivergent trans women, who tried to take accountability for the kind of small missteps that naturally occur in any new housing arrangement, and who's roommates completely turned on them and un-personed them in exactly the way youve described. I keep bringing up in conversation stuff you've written here about overstating harm and ppl's inability to navigate conflict without creating a bad guy, and heres one more incredible piece of writing to add to the pile. Much to think on, thanks for sharing <3

Shel

The frequency with which people label not being good about chores as "abuse" is so absurd and I hear it so often. Legit like "oh they left dirty dishes on the coffee table they're my abuser" it's completely ridiculous and insulting

Unambiguous Robin 🐦

I really want to respond to this post, because right now I'm going through a situation that's tied up in a lot of the problems that you're describing... but that fact also makes it harder for me to focus on the topics without, uh, spiralling, I suppose. Well, I'm just gonna try to get some thoughts down so I can feel more like I can move on from this topic if I need to.

...I feel like the word "abuser" entered into common usage as a way to legitimize the level of pain being experienced by some people that otherwise wouldn't have been acknowledged at all. Like, it would be extremely convenient for the top people in power if trauma wasn't something that really happened to anyone at all, much less as the result of anyone's actions. So those kinds of people will do what they can to encourage the idea that trauma doesn't exist. And that still exists as a common tactic for some people who have hurt, or are willing to hurt, other people.

But yeah, once "abuse" started getting used more commonly, among people who already understood that trauma was a real thing, they started using the word to get into arguments about who it actually applied to--and sometimes it could be applied to other people who also acknowledged that trauma is a real thing. But using the word against them kinda puts them into the same category as people who don't--and that really hurts, when there are still people who deny trauma's existence (and will use situations like this to say they're allies to anyone being called an abuser, even those who still believe abuse is real).

...I fear it's not as simple as the existence of the word itself, though. I am part of a community that is already very careful not to use the word "abuser" to describe anyone, emphasizing the idea that actions are abusive, people are not. But even with this being the case, it has still led to months-long arguments and grudges over whose actions qualified as abusive, who qualifies as enabling the abuse when they didn't participate in the actions but don't view those actions the same way, and to what degree there needs to be retribution for such things.

And at least one person, I feel, has taken ownership of the abuse that has happened to them in ways similar to what you describe in your post: holding onto these past things as things that still define them today, and still holding resentment against the people who did those actions, despite not referring to these people as "abusers".

...One idea I've been thinking about more and more is how one major thing that's at the core of a lot of abuse is isolation from others, in one form or another. And usually what's at the core of that isolation, more specifically, is fear of expressing pain. And... I guess there's a fair bit of irony here that someone being abused is often afraid of expressing their pain to others, due to all kinds of fallout that could result from that... but as you point out, someone admitting to pain or abuse they've perpetrated could also isolate them from other people, make them afraid of expressing their own pain. And it... really, really sucks that this vicious cycle, of someone isolating themselves through the act of isolating others, is part of the whole process. I don't know how to dismantle that.

But now I wonder if it would be useful to have a word for just that: having the fear of expressing one's pain to others. Because that can exist with or without a perpetrator. It's something that can be looked at in isolation and resolved on a case-by-case basis. Maybe it could help with healing these types of situations specifically.

toad

I think that it can feel freeing to call someone my abuser. It can be a magic word in some situations, in some communities, that absolves you of any wrongdoing. It can justify mistakes you made because you’re the abusee/survivor and they were (and had always been) the abuser. It can feel extremely good to give yourself that absolution. I was reluctant to apply the label to the person who isolated me from my friends and gaslit me into believing I was their abuser precisely because the thought of being absolved in that way was so intoxicating. It let me erase any harm I’d caused in the relationship; it made me into the unassailable “good guy” and them the reprehensible “bad guy.” It was simple and easy. I think the appeal of turning something messy, hurtful, and complicated into something pure and manichean like that can be hard to resist in some situations.

midgar zoloft

this was pretty cathartic to read for a few reasons but the one that sticks out in my mind is that a person i knew irl once blocked me online for having a very, very similar opinion and that made me feel like i was somehow wrong to post, or even to come up with the idea. but i stuck to the idea in the end despite that pain and i think reading this post, seeing those ideas reflected in someone else, helped knock that thorn loose from my mind. so thank you

Coral

Thank you!

cel

i'm going to think about this post for the rest of my life, thank you for writing it. incredibly applicable to a lot of my experiences, and immensely enlightening

ketra

thank you for writing this, especially the points made about why healing is hampered by framing people who have hurt us as "my abuser". i really needed to hear this.

Ze Heavy Lupine

This essay as a whole is super meaningful, I can't say enough about it. But one thing that really stuck out to me was that section "we make people into abusers by making them into abusers"

Without getting too into it, this really helps me understand the a really bad friendship I had with someone. He was constantly dodging any sort of label that could get him called out and seemingly never taking ownership for almost any of his actions, but I could never really understood the mechanism for why this type of behavior occurs beyond "it's a result of a toxic environment" or any other cheap phrase flattened for widespread use so hard to the point it lacks any meaning.

It's happening because of the inhumane torture of being labelled Toxic, or Abusive, or Narcissistic, or whatever other diluted catch-all term people use to remove your humanity. That kind of discussion poisoned the well for any criticism I tried to share with that person, since anytime I tried to point out a mistake it quickly turned into a game of "but who's the ACTUALLY bad person here".

It also really hit home that people who are traumatized don't typically want to make others suffer for their actions, they just want them to never hurt someone like that again. Cause in the end, that's how I feel about that guy (aside from some monetary damages but that's neither here nor there), and this whole sanctification of words like "abuse" only makes that harder.

Lux Forest

I'm one of those trans women who got labeled an abuser and had my community cut me out. Never thought it would happen to me. Thank you for this post.

I'm doing much better today, years later. I have a new community that doesn't constantly try to find the new Evil Scapegoat for their problems. Thank goodness.

In reply to post 81135:

gravis again

the difference is that this is the only one in history that might actually improve in a way that benefits anyone other than Investors

alex tax1a

oh absolutely, the thing that sent LJ into a death spiral was accepting advertising money, which immediately shits the incentives right up

alex tax1a

but also like the comments page here is a perfect encapsulation of what we mean: page owners on LJ have always, to our knowledge, been able to delete other people's comments on their own posts. They ended up adding "hide" and "freeze thread" options too, in like 2006.

In reply to post 50021:

Jessica

I mean it was real until the creator died

gravis again

as someone who was educated stupid, time cube always spoke to me

graham

Time cube was the first time I ever reveled in someone being unhinged on the internet. I'm glad you stuck to this little of the time cube manifesto because it gets the point across perfectly without diving into the excessive slurs he used later on

lily

the concept started with "what if i just chosted the whole thing" which didn't last long as an idea for that exact reason, but I then moved on to "what if I edited out the awful parts" but then I'd have to read the whole thing which is definitely something I'd like to avoid and so it took this final form of "a couple parts to capture the vibe"

Natalie

I love that cohost is growing to just include verbatim many of the classic Posts and Pages of yore

Misty

cohost isn’t just a website, it’s every website

siglamancy

thank time cube for time cube

Janet

oh fuck yes me viewing this on my machine running templeOS

Attack and dethrone god! Get into the mecha and wear your SOUL!

Remembering that time timecube killed a man.

Alaina

this shit reminds me of a Dr. Bronners bottle

lily

i keep thinking about this comment randomly and laughing you’re sooo right

In reply to post 47525:

August

This is me every time I look at my phone lately.

In reply to post 44662:

gravis again

personally i'm a big fan of when they push their face against something. it's good to me

In reply to post 44279:

August

oOo fun colors, I especially like the dragon scale glittery green one on your left thumb

alex tax1a

that one is a base coat of black, then a coat of glittery glow-in-the-dark :3

In reply to post 34971:

colin

my fav prop 65 warnings I've seen (aside from all of the ones at the creamer/sugar bars at starbucks to warn you about the hazards of acrylamide in coffee) are the ones by the staff doors out onto the tarmac at SFO

Outside may contain carcinogens, watch out

jae

my favorites are the ones at disneyland

https://cohost.org/disney/post/10286-mickey-has-rabies

Chompie

Oooh yum, this reminds me that I've got a full jar of furikake waiting for me

In reply to post 31581:

kaezone

Navigation of Anomalous Buildings looks like something i'd randomly pick up at the uni library and speedread in like 2 days

Sherliz Holmes

absolutely same here

Tolinky

I adore these so so so much

In reply to post 17104:

fi

eight owe

In reply to post 6665:

gravis again

tired bad faith post reporting is an exploit that depends on consensus being assumed to indicate credibility. virtually impossible to guard against.

wired bad faith post reporting is intended behavior. WONTFIX

Ames

literal pvp enabled

alex tax1a

AIM warning levels redux

alex tax1a

oh hi past-alex, looks like we had the same idea

#1 agon

You have to wait for somebody else to revive you

walking mirage

forming a squad like a battle royale game

Tamber

*bonk*